More Iodine requires more magnesium?... 
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Ok, I have been meaning to ask this for awhile.
a few months into my Iodine journey, I started noticing muscle cramping after taking my Iodine dose. It would pass in an hour or so, but this has me curious.
We all preach the necessity of magnesium as a companion, but is it clear why the magnesium???? I feel like I should know this but I don't.
And I mean specifically does more Iodine require more magnesium?
My body says yes, especially now since I am able to take more magnesium per day. After I killed off C. Difficile in my gut my magnesium tolerance went from 50mg/day up to about 300-400mg/day. Then after I took IP6 for a few days, it went up to about 500-700mg/day.
Now my ND is telling me that too much Mag without Calcium will strip the bones of mag........
I am in a bind with that one because if I take a bit of Calcium I get so tight in my neck i get a headache within one day....say about 400mg of Calcium
Crazy!!!!
ahhhhh, this is why I am still working with my liver and getting metals out, my mineral transport is still screwed up......
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This is a reply to # 1,802,268I think this very question of yours is why I'm pushing myself more and more into a cleancleanclean diet.
Cramping has been a concern of mine also, but I am sick-to-death of trying to figure out how much of this supplement? How much of that added mineral?
I need to simplify. The more raw I go, the better off I am.
That's me and MY need - it may not be yours.
However, in response to your thread, and WHY I'm responding what I am - didn't I read somewhere that, the more food-combinations we eat the more need for us to supplement more things? IOW, the more we eat (that isn't necessary and just causes more digestive-energy) creates a need for us to supplement more?
That is to say, the simpler diet we eat, the better off we are? IOW, the less we eat (as long as it is nutrient dense) creates a need for us to supplement less?Advertisement
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This is a reply to # 1,802,268It's in our faqs although the FAQs are not available at the moment, maybe by the time you log again on they'll be back. Quick google search- "Guy Abrahams Iodine magnesium" tells me that the info is here:
http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-05/IOD_05.html
if not there, it's somewhere on the optimox site.
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Right you are :) About halfway down --
Magnesium deficiency, which is prevalent in the US population, results in increased levels of cytosolic free calcium.98 Intracellular free calcium levels above the normal range are cytotoxic causing calcification of mitochondria and cell death. The cell membrane possesses an ATP-dependant calcium pump that keeps intracellular levels of free ionized calcium within narrow limits. This calcium pump is magnesium-dependent for normal function. Magnesium deficiency results in a defective calcium pump and intracellular accumulation of ionized calcium. Inadequate iodine/iodide intake below orthoiodosupplementation results in decreased levels of delta-iodo-lactone. Combined magnesium and iodine/iodide deficiency based on the concept of orthoiodosupplementation are the basic factors involved in the oxidative damage caused by excess H2O2 and reactive oxygen species. If this proposed mechanism is valid, orthoiodosupplementation,30 combined with magnesium intake between 800-1,200 mg/day, a daily amount this author recommended 21 years ago 98 for magnesium sufficiency, should reverse autoimmune thyroiditis. This nutritional approach is also effective in Graves' autoimmune thyroiditis as previously discussed.
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Ok, cool. I have read that one before but thanks for sharing again.
But he doesn't fully answer my question of requirement for more magnesium if we take more Iodine.
He says that you have to have the mag to help the calcium pump work right. and you have to have the Iodine to make the delta-iodolactone.
But he doesn't say that if you take Iodine you will need more magnesium.
I feel like there is a missing piece here, or maybe they don't know.
what does the delta-iodolactone do?
I tried looking at another Abraham paper and couldn't find it.
Perhaps more iodolactone requires the need for more mag?
It is not said explicitly here.
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This is a reply to # 1,802,547Don't know about needing more magnesium, but iodolactones are lipids with incorporated iodine.
http://www.iodine4health.com/special/physiology/compounds/iodolipids.htm
Iodolipids
Iodolipids are iodinated lipids -- i.e., lipids (fats) with incorporated iodine.
The requirements for the formation of iodolipids are (1) a peroxidase, (2) an elevated concentration of iodide and (3) hydrogen peroxide. These conditions can be met in various places in the body, including the thyroid, mammary gland, oviduct, and uterus.
Iodolactones.
Iodolactones consist of polyunsaturated fatty acids such as arachidonic acid (AA), eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA). and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA).
The delta-iodolactones of arachidonic acid inhibits the EGF (Epidermal Growth Factor) receptor. When the EGF receptor is inhibited, the metabolism of arachidonic acid induced by EGF (and TGF-a) is inhibited. This inhibition suppresses goiter formation and can induce involution (shrinking the goiter).
The delta-iodolactone of eicosapentaenoic acid exerts an antiproliferative effect in the nanomolar range.
Neither arachidonic acid by itself nor other iodolactones (besides delta-iodolactones) have this antiproliferative effect.
The synthesis of delta-iodolactone from arachidonic acid, iodine, and H2O2 is catalyzed by peroxidases. Thus, iodolactone formation is not limited to the thyroid gland but can occur in any organ that contains peroxidases (e.g., the breast).
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