yea, thanks. i've considered fasting, but it's also been recommended that i don't. i'm on the very thin side to begin with. very vata, in ayurvedic terms. fasting can be helpful for excessive states, but can worsen deficiencies, in my experience.. but you're right about the fact that i really ought to carve out more time for 'stress free fasts'..

cheers

That part about solar charged water triggered my Googling thing.
Heres what somebody had to say about it.

Abysmal Darkenin I read your original post and then went and googled sungazing and sun charged water. It sounded interesting to me, so I read all I could find. Although I'm a bit lazy to commit to sun gazing. I believe it could work. Suncharged water is much easier. Set it and forget it until the evening.

Anyways, I put some water in the sun to charge. I started drinking it that same evening, while still warm. That night I could not go to sleep until 2am. I usually go at 10-11pm. Next morning I was up a 6 am. Thats only 4 hours sleep. I continued drinking more and I was charged and more active than I had been in years. I wasn't tired that day for lack of sleep. I'm usually napping at some point though the day. Well not this day.

I definately believe in suncharged water now. I give to to my pets now also. I'm hoping for it to help them with some health issues. We will see. Thanks for posting the info. I have used it and believe in it.

P.S. Used sun charged /suncharged in your search.
Solar charged brought up more stuff about solar powered water pumps.
Its cheap & free.The FDA can't make it illegal anytime soon.

yea, i do take some kelp for the iodine. provides a little bit of energy, although i can't take too much as it seems to aggravate the kidney issue a little bit

yea dude.

hair, nails, everything grew super fast. came in thicker, too. the msm, i get the impression, speeds up the rate at which your body metabolizes other minerals. probably why it works great for many, but wrecks a few.

hey-
thanks for the many words. in general, and in your nutritional thinking, i agree with you. it's really a shame, i think, that so many people are willing to load their bodies with so, so many supplements in hopes of healing themselves when they are-as you say-more than likely suffering from deficiencies and excesses that are far too holistically complex to correct with random, isolated and often inappropriate supplementation. many individuals who attempt (even successfully) to treat one health problem using supplements end up developing new ones to take its place.. i work as the supplement buyer and health consultant for a health food store (somewhat ironically) and so i witness this phenomenon all the time.. i have dabbled and investigated deeply into the PH balance protocols both through my own experiences and those of my customers. results tend to be mixed. PH balance diets, i believe, work for many individuals largely because those who adopt it were eating sub-optimal diets in the first place, and PH diets will in general boost an individuals nutrient intake substantially, forcing out most processed foods. the logic behind PH, though, seems overly reductionist to me. alkaline bad, acid good? without acids, alkaline minerals are entirely insoluble! and there are so very many different acids, both found in foods and produced metabolically. PH pushers might cut out the excess arachidonic found in heavy meats, but suddenly they're consuming loads of oxalic acid from greens and beans. which is not to say that this is a bad thing, just an example.. sorry to rant! and yea, i need to work on more de-stress. my main issue is that it seems like i caused, for myself, a very specific imbalance.. something that i suspect could be corrected and that, if corrected, would resolve my issues substantially. i know that i caused it, initially and peripherally, by taking too much msm, which is pure sulphur.. figuring out how to undo whatever changes i created has proven quite tricky!

thanks again!

Hi Martel,

While you don't have to listen to what I write, I hope it will give you some productive ideas for a good outcome.

First, let me make clear to other readers here; I do not care who may disagree with what I am about to write. These words are the result of *my own* long and intensively tested experience. I will put zero energy into arguing tit-for-tat with anyone.

So here's my point, Martel-

I have been studying health and healing for more years than I can count (at least 30 or so). I've watched all the "never eat this" and "always eat that" cr@p come and go, today XXXX will kill you, tomorrow it has been found to be actually healthy and will be the only thing that may save you, etc, blah blah blah.

I have learned a few things over this long time:

1. Restrictive diets which exclude *natural and unaltered* foods result in some degree of imbalance and malnutrition eventually.

2. No one single thing is likely to cure everybody with the same ailment (Although there may be strong commonalities), one may be able to limp along improved, but if you will pay further attention to your *individual body's messages*, you are much more likely to be able to leave the condition in the dust entirely and walk away healthy at last.

Here is what I *think* *may* have happened to you, Martel:
It sounds to me like the MSM may have been a very good thing for you, but one of the (many) things MSM does is to help clear obstructions to the cell-wall incoming and outgoing circulation, so that the silted-up gunk which acts like plaster against the cell walls can be moved out of the way and healing of the cell can take place.

I *think* that one of the key substances your body tried to remove to improve your health is probably one which was being eliminated- for whatever reason- through your kidneys; The Kidneys were getting overloaded and so when you stopped the MSM the overload had to try to get out through your skin (an alternate route of elimination), which resulted in the hives you describe in your waist area (Near the Kidneys, get it?). So the MSM did not "cause a problem". It actually got you to the next level, and now you would benefit greatly by using Liver- and Kidney-clearing herbs to remove *this stage* of obstacles to your returning health.

The body's major organs of elimination for waste and junk are: the Liver, the Kidneys, the Skin, the Lungs, of course the Bowel and Bladder are all-important too (and barfing, another expedient way to eliminate, also earwax :-)). In my observation, if the liver/bowel can't get rid of it, it backs up into the kidneys/urinarysystem as a next resort, then if the kidneys get overloaded, it backs up through the skin (This is why your skin is referred to as your "third Kidney"). It's my guess that there are your hives.

So I suggest you think about herbs, because they can be used to assist and clear the body's various organs over time (sometimes over very little time).

***If it were me****, I'd think about Cornsilk Tea for kidneys bladder and urinary system clearout (non-GMO and Organic only, please- Don't try to improvise with grocery store corn[think high pesticides]) or Hydrangea Root tea, and Swedish Bitters (@ Healthfood store, NatureWorks brand) to assist the Liver as quickly as possible.

For nutrition (to provide trace and other elements which are lacking sadly in current-day farmed produce), if it were me I'd be taking broken-cell-wall Chlorella, Alfalfa leaf, Kelp or Dulse, Irish Moss, Horsetail (for silica), (Cayenne in capsules), and using Celtic Sea Salt on food and in cooking to begin with.

Also test your responses to see if Cilantro gets a good response from your body. If it does, go for it.

It looks likely to me that the stuff you are ingesting or exposed to, and then are not eliminating efficiently, is most likely the issue. Whether it is in supplements or foods or environment I cannot tell from what you wrote, but it could be any or all of them.

If that's not it, then you may be missing some element that completes the process of effective elimination.
PS if you don't drink enough clear water, stuff can't be transported out so it silts back. http://www.watercure.com
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I discovered with myself that any supplement which contains Calcium Carbonate as a filler or excipient lays the stuff right down like a *very* tough silt everywhere. Then I have to get it out. "'NOW Brand' Super Enzymes" in capsules (NOT tablets) will eventually get the Calcium Carbonate out. For me. And it takes awhile (weeks).

IMHO there is a lot for you to think about here. But *IMHO* you did a good thing by taking the MSM, and *if it were me* I'd resume it slowly and continue it, although you didn't say how much you are taking.

If it were me I'd also immediately DROP soda pop, white bread, white flour, white rice, white Sugar from my diet. About unmoderated alcohol or any smoking, well, do I need to say anything..?

I also do not slather anything onto my body that I would not eat :-).

Lastly Martel, I would like to say this to you:
"NEVER GIVE UP your endeavor for health. Keep reading and reading, keep studying, keep going, keep working at it, no matter what anyone says, no matter who tells you they think it's incurable."

BTW the poster who wrote about the acid-alkaline balance, etc- IMHO is 'right on' and I applaud them.

I wish you (and all of us) the very Best of Health Martel,

Ladylove

I know a guy who got kidney stones from his well water...the doctor knew other men from the same street he lived on and said, Oh you live on kidney stone alley! So I wonder what kind of water you drink? Also, the type as mentioned previously matters. How it's made. I read to get it in a feed store because the turnover is greater then for people but I still think you have to care that it's not made chemically.

Hopefully, you can try good water, good MSM and get back to where you were or better!

Good Luck!!

My advice is to stop using MSM.

I used it myself because of the claims made for it such as increasing glutathione production and other claims.

End result, my blood pressure rose by about 56% and my arteries developed atherosclerosis ie hardening of the arteries which could be seen as a white marking around the outside of my irises around the heart/lung and back mostly with my kidneys also showing other markings indicating circulatory problems. This was despite taking quite high dose vitamin K2 MK4 & MK7 which made no difference, things were getting worse all the time. Then I read something on another forum where someone questioned MSM usage and what he said did seem right. The idea was that MSM eliminates copper. I was supplementing with small amounts to balance zinc intake. Copper is an essential nutrient needed for elastin and collagen production which are key components for artery health.

I stopped using MSM and things have improved quite a bit with the white markings in my heart/lung substantially reducing. There is still some way to go before it is eliminated but at least things are now going in the right direction. I do still take high dose vit K2 and also Serrapeptase and Nattokinase but none of this made much difference while I was taking MSM.

I would recommend that if you use Serrapeptase/Nattokinase then I would also take nutrients for collagen production ie Glycine, Proline, Alanine and some Lysine with important Vitamin C and Magnesium. Grape seed extract and Anthocyanidins/Anthocyanins from berries or extracts would also be helpful. Re-perfusion injury and oxidation damage should be guarded against by antioxidants, Anthocyanidins/Anthocyanins can be helpful here and so can things like Astaxanthin and other natural antioxidants present in fruit and veg.

I would not recommend MSM to anyone following both mine and other people's experiences in using it.