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I feel very sick and don't know what to do. Here is my basics female, 46 taking synthroid for hypo (also added sups for t3 conversion), a bit overweight clean diet and lifestyle rarely catch colds.
I feel fine at times, but sometimes I will get an attack after eating. The pain is on the left side of my abdomen. There is irritation in my mouth and throat, burning or pins and needles in arms and legs, joint pain and back pain.
Most of my body hurts. Gastroenterologist found nothing but b12 deficiency. In the past have had reflux symptoms and rectal bleeding. I went on a low starch diet because I suspected candida. Now it looks like fat and salt are bad too. I feel beat up and depleted from cleanses.
At times I feel fine. That is when I eat very little and avoid stress.
I would like to know what is causing this. I have bad luck with doctors and limited resources. Could I have parasites? There is a doctor i heard of who specializes in parasites. It's not cheap. What if that isn't the problem?
I could see a GP or go to another GE. Any help would be great. Thanks.
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- Re: Help ! I need a clue-pain after ... susan333
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This is a reply to # 1,766,302i am struggling with similar symptoms as you. i have seen many doctors and done so many tests. the only thing that comes back is vitamin D and B12 and iron deficiency.
parasites are very hard to detect. I have had many many stool test and they always come back normal. I feel like something has suck the life out of me.
the doctor you mentioned that specializes in parasites, is he a infection disease doctor?
He probably will run several blood test and stool test.
I have tried herbal parasite cleanse, didn't do much.
now I am trying western med. Flagyl I am staring to feel the die off.
good luck
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- Tropical disease. #137149
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This is a reply to # 1,766,324Thanks for you reply. The doctor specializes in tropical diseases. When I called they asked me about onset and foreign travel. in my case there is a connection.
I was wondering how people can know since it is all so in conclusive. i also suspect gallbladder, etc. I feel like going to this guy is a $500 bet and I am wondering what the odds are.I obviously need more info, though my mental capacities are not at the best.
There are many of us going through this. The die off is indication, I guess. Hope you feel better. I find a hot bath with 1 lb salt/24 oz peroxide/4ozbentadine very soothing.Good luck
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- mercury toxicity #137149
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This is a reply to # 1,766,395i found the answer to my question. I was reading a website on mercury detox. They had an excerpt from Andy Cutlers book about sulfer in the diet. I have lots of filings and it looks like the culprit. I just ate 2 grapefruits and it didn't cause that horrible reaction. There is a relation between parasites and mercury and there is some discussion on the website. What is also very helpful are the lists of sulfer and non sulfer foods. The website is livingnetwork.co.za. I know of a few dentists that could help me and plan to keep searching for information. Thanks to CZ.
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This is a reply to # 1,766,324If you are responding to Flagyl then it is a good possibility that you are dealing with either protozoa or rogue bacteria. Typically Flagyl is not enough to get rid of protozoa but is more effective towards bacteria as a sole therapy.
Testing is very hit or miss however the best test done for many is the MetaMetrix GI Effects test (use panel #2105). If you do this test and find protozoa, I have an outside forum at http://pptu.lefora.com
which has loads of educational material.
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This is a reply to # 1,766,302Typically the pins and needles sensations are from b12 deficiency. B12 is a vital nutrient that performs many tasks including protein synthesis. When you say left side is this your left side, if it is then the gallbladder would not be the problem as it is on the patient's right side. It is tucked underneath the liver by the bottom of the rib cage. You do fit the profile for gallbladder issues with your age and low thyroid. Intolerance to fat and salt would indicate a magnesium depletion issue as would intolerance to stress. Intolerance to stress would also indicate that the adrenals are a bit spent, I would look into Dr. Lam's research on adrenal fatigue. AF is caused by 1/ stressors in the body such as infections, toxins and 2/ nutritional insufficiency.
If you test for parasites see the test by Metametrix called GI Effects, it is the best around and save yourself some money by doing panel #2105. The GI tract is often the problem with many people in that it can harbor many types of infections and is generally very toxic due to Western diets.- Too much cleansing and vitamins plea... #137149
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This is a reply to # 1,766,584
This is a long post but please read if you have food sensitivities .
Thanks for the info on parasites. My symptoms are from mercury toxicity. I suspected parasites(hope this is posting on the right forums), because neurological symptoms and gastrointestinal issues made me suspect it. I have lost a lot of weight because it causes me pain and an increases in symptoms when I eat. The symptoms may be similar to vitamin deficiencies. I am at this point probably quite malnourished. I am more worried about major organ damage. Before I got this sick i was popping vitamins like candy. Now i have to watch everything i put in my body. The question is if I am sick from mercury in my teeth(9 metal fillings) why is it worse now.
It is worse from vitamins and cleansing. I have been doing a lot of cleansing recently. Colonics,juice fast, coffee enema, Bowel Cleanse and candida cleanse. Those and self medicating with vitamins were my way of trying to cope with my symptoms. The some vitamins I was taking were Taurine and NAC. I was taking 1,500 of NAC (3X's) the reccomended dosage on my psyciatrists advice. I was diagnosed with Bipolar though, not currently symptomatic and underractive thyroid. I also suffered from low energy, symptoms of arthritis(though doctors found no Arthritis in examining me) Occasional neurological symptoms: muscle weakness, muscle cramps, SPASAMS, pain in lower half of body, mental confusion, white coated tongue, gastroinestial problems. All symptoms of mercuy toxicity. These symptoms are worse now, but it is getting under control by taking care to avoid sulfur in my diet. Taurine and NAC are both high in sulphur.Sulphur aggravates mercury toxic people. i stopped taking these vitamins along with all supplements. I plan to work with the diet list of non sulphur foods. The symptoms I have are similar to other illnesses. At this point i am just posting to share my experience. Thanks CZ
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This is a reply to # 1,766,690I realize you don't want advice but do want to mention that you have some of the signs of having a gluten sensitivity - white coated tongue, intestinal symptoms and low B12, maladsorbtion. Gluten sensitivities are wheat allergy (rapid symptoms), Autoimmune Celiac Disease (symptoms so delayed the person doesn't make the connection between symptoms and gluten exposure) and non-celiac sprue (Leaky Gut Syndrome). Blood tests and biopsies of the small intestine miss picking up 20% to 30% of people with the autoimmune problem. Of course you may also have an overload of pollutants and heavy metals and parasites.
For about a 20 year period I did many cleanses and detoxes and had most of the metal removed from teeth and always felt better but this did not stop my developing sprue, serious maladsorbtion. What would have helped, and helps now, is a strict gluten and cow dairy free diet and lifestyle.- Re: Too much cleansing and vitamins ... #137149
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This is a reply to # 1,766,732Hey I just read your post. You are probably still on the sight. That was a good guess about celiac. I havent eaten gluten for 2 years. There is a possibility that I have celiac but I am well informed on it and there is no chance I have been exposed to gluten.
It's interesting how a grain free diet like the specific carb diet is reccomended to those suffering with autism. After eliminating gluten, I still would get gastric issues. I did really well on the specific carb diet a year ago. Now, however, I cannot tolerate things like chicken breast or garlic that I used to. These foods are high in sulphur. Today I ate pears, grapefruit, squash and carrots- first day with no reaction. All foods low in sulphur.
The specific carb diet is by coincidence also relatively low in sulphur. Autism is said to be caused by mercury exposure from vaccinations. Gastric issues can be caused by mercury exposure.My gastric issues started 2 summers ago after getting a tetnus shot. Exposure to toxic mold can also cause a person to develop celiac. There is a doctor in the US who specializes in researching this phenomenon, as well as treating patients for it. I have never been tested for celiac or mold. At the end of the day we need to know our own bodies. These things may seem random but this is what I am looking at. Thanks CZ.- ps i am also dairy free #137149 13 y 2,969
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This is a reply to # 1,766,690mercury is always a good bet when there are multiple disparate symptoms such as yours. the thinking put forward by doctors such as dietrich klinghardt is that parasites are a vector of the mercury poisoning and may also serve a function to sequester some of the metals.
pain in your left abdomen could be stomach, pancreas or in some cases referred from gall bladder stasis.
your information about sulfur was half correct. if you read dr. cutler's book carefully, what he says is that mercury toxic people skew either one way or the other as far as reactions to sulfur bearing amino acids. some people will feel a whole lot better on sulfur and some people will feel a whole lot worse, but rarely is there any balance.
my experience is that people who are most sensitive to sulfur are the most toxic. the only good news there is that this is providing diagnostic information for you, the bad news is that it is a long and difficult journey. keep in mind also that current thinking says there is probably more than just one type of metal poisoning. cutler's information is awesome, but keep an open mind toward other therapies as well.
look into saunas, Montmorillonite clay, alginate. hopefully supplementing b12 will be a good start.
were you taking lipoic acid by any chance during your vitamin binge? or was it just the NAC.
citric acid and acetic acid( vinegar) are also weak chelators and can stir up metals.- Re: Too much cleansing and vitamins ... #137149
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This is a reply to # 1,767,344Thanks for the feed back. I suspected mercury and had made an appointment for next month with a Huggins trained dentist. I had a little information on it before but I plan to get and read Cutlers book.
I have been quite heavy up to 220 pound( a lot for a woman of 5'6"). I hadn't wanted to do any major cleansing until I was able to get the metal out of my mouth. I tend to feel the fat protects me from toxins. But some issues both physical and psychological forced me to do what I did.
I was taking very high doses of d, and ester c, I was taking normal doses of zinc, b complex, magnesium, selenium, taurine, and msm. I was also taking Lugols 5%, normal dose on and off and had just started taking 5htp. I had started taking 5,00 mg's of POTASSIUM CIRTITE(?)I would also use a drop of oregano oil in my oil pulling for periods of time(probably stirs up stuff) The only things I take now are b12 and some thyroid and adrenal supplements that seem fine.
I moved the dentist to an earlier date and plan to move forward with getting the metal out. I know that it's not only about the mercury. I have probably lead,cadmium, boron.
I am sensitive, but try to avoid exposure. I vowed to not die my hair or go to Ikea. For now limiting sulphur seems to help.
Does any one know what it means when you feel startled? It's like when you are in bed and about to fall asleep and you dream you trip and it startles you awake just before you fall deeply asleep? Anyway this happens to me when I am wide awake. Maybe there is a vitamin I can take for that(LOL)- Re: Too much cleansing and vitamins ... #132242
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This is a reply to # 1,767,399the selenium can also stir up mercury, but it sounds like you are well-versed.
all of your symptoms fit into hypothyroid as well which i'm sure you also know.
the startling sounds like adrenal burn-out.
mercury could be the root cause. it is a crap shoot as to what will happen once the fillings come out. some people get worse. i opted to have mine taken out a long time ago, well before andrew cutler wrote his book and i had to feel my way through this morass. the short term was a nightmare but now i have taken roughly 15 years of aging away, adrenals are back on line, thyroid is back on line, my brain is working well, the gut is imo the hardest to heal fully. i had multiple exposure to mercury from fillings, vaccines and environmental exposure.
one thing i have noticed is that the adult chelators (people who chelate) seem to sing the same tune of 'i am really sure things will get better, so and so has improved'. but it never quite seems to pan out into the silver bullet that everyone thinks it will be. then they disappear and we are not really sure of what the results are. there are a few stars like jeff clark who have gone the distance, but he seems to be the exception and not the rule.
dmsa imo is the most toxic of the chelators. i keep hearing story after story about people that did not do well at all on dmsa. this is also corroborated by dr. buttar. dmps on the surface seems scarier but it seems to work best for people. note: dmps was never intended to be used intravenously. it was formulated for oral use only. ask the manufacturer heyl pharmaceuticals.
if you can tolerate saunas and keep yourself hydrated, if you do enough saunas you can make a huge dent in the problem. there is a guy who sells FIR (Far-Infrared-Sauna) saunas who more or less cured himself, but it was grueling saunas twice a day for 3 years. this obviously eliminates any stress on the liver and kidneys as long as you stay properly hydrated.
and there is also the strategy of keeping the fillings in and just properly opening up your elimination organs to handle whatever gets released.
people do recover with fillings in and without them. people seem to find very creative ways to heal across the whole gamut of therapies. most of the information is on curezone, but sometimes it is hidden away (in short little posts by people with little or no ego).
if you could find a way to just get your gall bladder working that could be the end of your troubles.
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This is a reply to # 1,767,418I might need to do a little looking before I leap. I had planned to go to a comprehensive dentist who worked on all aspects of pre and post issues of Amalgam removal. I decided to go with fast and cheap. The dentist I am going to is good, i'm sure, but I'll also ned a naturopath. I will try to be as informed as possible.
The chiropractor/kinesthesiologist I go to is the one who helps with issues like adrenals. He told me I had a clogged gallbladder. One remedy I've tried, dr chi's debile pills, I found very soothing(cooling). I think my gallbladder is still weak because I feel a stinging sensation when I eat. I got this idea a while back that it is healthy to eat plenty of olive oil or coconut oil and Seasalt with my meals. Perhaps it worked before, but now I am losing the taste for those things.
I go to a russian/turkish baths( where they have 5 kinds of saunas) once a week for 2 or 3 hours.I hear that sweating is a good way to detox and safe even if you still have metal fillings. I tried an infra red sauna but didn't do well with it I read on one site that it wasn't recommended (perhaps too intense for some)Massage also helps me a lot. I am lucky to be able to get a good inexpensive(chi gong) massage near where I live.I also read that excercize is a good for detox.Hot yoga sounds good. If I stop posting it means I went to a heaven or hell of my choosing. (probably twitter) Thanks CZ
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