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Chris SD
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Hi, I'm quite angry right now, half if not fully because of the state of my liver and also because of what I was reccommended to do on these forums. Anyhow, I was told to do the liver flushes, I had problems with my liver and this would supposedly make it better. It didn't, in part my own fault for doing it too much (once every two weeks) and also mini-flushes everyday. The point is, it made a fatty liver worse because of the cholestorol content of it, you can say all you want about Olive oil lowering LDL and so forth but like any fat it still raises it overall and it still made my liver much worse than it was before. Don't make the same stupid mistake I did, make sure you have lots of fibre before/after flushes to get out the excess cholestorol, Olive oil simply does not on its own but then I expect you all knew that.
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- Re: Angry, angry, angry #56403
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MoreThis is a reply to # 175,547I am very sorry to hear about what happened to you. Could you give more detail as to what happened. You said that you did too many flushes too frequently and perhaps you did not consume enough fibre. You said that your fatty liver problem got worse. I am curious, what did your diet consist of in between flushes. Was exercise part of your daily regime? I am just curious and try to learn as much as I can before I flush. Thanks for sharing your experience and the warning.
- Re: Angry, angry, angry Chris SD
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MoreThis is a reply to # 175,549My diet was fairly modest fat wise, mostly salads and fruit but I didn't have enough to provide the fibre I needed relative to how much olive oil I was consuming. I would consider detoxing your liver through other means e.g http://www.liverdoctor.com/default.asp, rather than flushing because its gentler and will help you change your diet/lifestyle. Other than that, if you feel sick or very 'sticky' after having flush then don't bother with them, ignore people who say otherwise.
- Re: Angry, angry, angry Chris SD
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- Re: Angry, angry, angry Deotima
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This is a reply to # 175,552Mini-flushes every day ! And regular flushes every two weeks! Far too much. No wonder you feel ill. Poor liver! Do not flush for 2 months then do a flush ONLY monthly for the next 4 months,and reasses your health. I am not a physical therapist, but that is what I would do in your situation. Liver Flushes have helped me immensely, I have done 18 now. Love and Light ,Deotima.
- Re: Angry, angry, angry Chris SD
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This is a reply to # 175,556Yeah, but you should emphasise you need fibre. I'm a rare case because I tried to avoid grains etc and ended up eating just nuts, fruit and veg which doesn't give enough fibre to get out the excess cholestorol and of course nuts only adds to it. I wish I could tell you what exactly was going on with my liver but I know when I cut down on fats severely and added a lot of fibre back in (fibre supplements included) I got a lot better quickly and my liver area was less painful. But yeah I did it too much, I was desperate and for some reason it made me feel better although it made me feel worse over time.
- Re: Angry, angry, angry Chris SD
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- Re: Angry, angry, angry Chris SD
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This is a reply to # 175,552My diet was fairly modest fat wise, mostly salads and fruit but I didn't have enough to provide the fibre I needed relative to how much olive oil I was consuming. I would consider detoxing your liver through other means e.g http://www.liverdoctor.com/default.asp, rather than flushing because its gentler and will help you change your diet/lifestyle. Other than that, if you feel sick or very 'sticky' after having flush then don't bother with them, ignore people who say otherwise.
- Re: Angry, angry, angry Deotima
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- Re: Angry, angry, angry telman
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This is a reply to # 175,547Hi Chris SD
I take it you've been to your GP or had your blood work done and the results are disappointing? I remember you very well over the last 3 months and share your disappointment.
The frustration you have shows in your post and I can only wish you well in your quest to find a cure. There is no quick fix. You've got to follow the protocol in a methodical manner and sometimes over a long period to get results.
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Note: The olive oil on its own doesn't reduce cholesterol but the flushing protocol has shown itself very effective for many people. Liver Flushing is also part of a wholesome living concept involving improved diet and exercise. It should not be carried out more than once every two to three weeks (except in emergencies) and for some people once a month is adequate.
Telman
- Re: Angry, angry, angry Chris SD
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This is a reply to # 175,557Yes, the frustration, I must iterate, is infact not caused by psychological issues or regarding the liver flushes, frustation and anger are rather symptoms of a bad liver, certainly in my case and it can be a struggle when you want to rant about something while at the same time are fully knowledgeable that you are only ranting because your liver is in a state. To that extent I believe this is where racism and things like that stem from but I'm probably saying nothing new here. Also, I am taking a methodical approach now, I'm following this guide http://www.liverdoctor.com/default.asp Generally I don't like to follow guides but in this case its appropriate after all the experimenting and different things I've tried.
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- Re: Angry, angry, angry lunari
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This is a reply to # 175,568Hi,
(((((((((((((((Chris SD))))))))))))))))
Sorry you feel like crap, but just slow down and keep on less often, and you WILL get better.
I made the same mistake once, and flushed once every week for 6 weeks, but only because I was desperate. Well, I got so ill from it I thought I would not flush again (had an allergic reaction and my eyes were swollen shut, felt terrible, like I had the flu).
But, then I eventually got better and when the symptoms returned (the pressure in upper GB area),I started flushing again. But, from then on I began bowel and kidney ceanses prior and after and slowed way down, to once or sometimes twice a month.
Be careful with the diet, drink a lot of quality water, eat very little meat if possible, avoid most supplement until you get better and DO NOT get discouraged.
I hope you feel better.
Cheers
- Re: Angry, angry, angry Chris SD
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This is a reply to # 175,617Ok, noted, I do lay off the meat and that has helped certainly and am aware of the things I need should I be deficient of anything found in meat
- Re: Angry, angry, angry #56417
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This is a reply to # 175,624Nah, the meat is not good for you at this time only because you don't want to overburden the kidneys while your unloading all this junk during your cleanses.
What I get is this : you are so TOXIC (and I mean that in a very neutral way) that right now you need to address only that: to take the load off your liver and kidneys and elimination pathways.
Since you find yourself irritable and "angry, angry, angry", perhaps you should consider a para-cleanse, certainly colonics would help and eat only light vegetarian diet,juices.
Herbal teas: Celery seed/anise, chammomile, peppermint.
Lay off all supplements (aside from maybe lecithin and occassional mineral supplement), since if you're toxic, that only adds to the body's load it's trying to process.
Kefir and flax oil (all in small ammounts)should be allright.
Eventually you'll be able to eat anythinhg you want and will be able to supplement your diet, once you restore your liver's health.
And remember,liver being the seat of anger: don't feed the beast. Consider the healing that comes with forgiveness and acceptance. Very important to your inner peace.
When you get angry ,it contributes to formation of stones, and once you have the stones, it adds to your anger and other negative emotions (And this is from someone who has major anger issues).
At least you're searching, so you instinctively know you're not balanced.
But your on the right track.
When you flush, be sure to prepare a week ahead of time: taking MaG.Malate and drinking sour cherry juice is great.
And follow up with colon cleansing, it makes a huge difference in the way you'll feel.
Don't do mini-flushes, unless you haven't done the Flush in a while.
And, go easy on yourself.
- Re: Angry, angry, angry Chris SD
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This is a reply to # 175,684Yeah, dully noted, fibre seems to help gets things through. One of the major problems I find is that I do water/juice fasts but after a while I feel so weak I can barely stand it seems to just get worse. With fibre AND water it does seem to get better over time. And yeah lecithin seems to help, it certainly doesn't make me feel worse, anything that does I obviously avoid and one of things is any form of fat. colonics are great - if you're rich, I'd rather do something that I could maintain for my life, something that I enjoy doing, eating fruit being an example. When I get angry its like I can't help it, I never show it or rarely act on it but its there, like I'm drunk and I can't help, I suppress it reasonably well but it obviously shows, especially if I get disturbed or surprised etc. Soluble fibre supps cost a bomb, so I'm hoping I can do it with just fruit and veg but often that doesn't seem like its enough. Its hard also sticking to any diet when I'm so temperamental, prone to going off on a different tangent and stuff because of my mood. Sometimes I feel great when I've eaten something thats made me worse, kinda like alcohol does I guess which complicates things. As for oils, will small amounts of any omega 3 oils be ok? They still seem to make me irritable right now. Anyway, thanks for that.
- Re: Angry, angry, angry Chris SD
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- Re: Angry, angry, angry JAOVA
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This is a reply to # 175,547I think everyone hopes to find a quick fix to years of problems. If it was so simple everyone would know about, do it and celebrate without fear of consequence. Years of damage can not "and this is just good ole common sense" be overturned in just a day, two or even in a few months. You can not expect to do these flushes and then eat, drink be merry without thinking about the consequences of your actions. For every action there is a reaction. NOT book sense common sense.
Granted, I had an extremely positive experience with my first flush. Did I go to the Dr. and have things checked out like a before and after? No, I chose not to go that route. I liken it to a diet. If I have been on a diet for a couple of weeks and the scales say I have lost only two pounds, I am more than a little disappointed. But, if I put on a pair of pants that were too tight a few weeks ago and now they feel a little loose...I would feel very successful. So, I ask you.... How do you feel?
No judgements here... but like me you sound like an all or nothing type person. In my mind I think, "Heck if 20 minutes of exercise three times a week is suffiecient, then 120 minutes everyday must be so much better." So I go at it like a mad woman and it last for about 2 months then I burn out, or pull a hamstring or get sick. I blame it on the exercise or the people who recommended it when in fact, I did it to myself. I plan on doing things very differently concerning the Liver Flushes. Once a month..unless I have trouble. I'm just asking you to re-evaluate and ask yourself if it is something you could have done differently. I hate to see you give up on what could be a very good thing.
As always wishing all,
Health and Happiness
JAOVA - Re: Frustrated; Foolish; Irrational #48222
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This is a reply to # 175,547
Dr. Chris SD,
If I recall correctly you were argumentative and overly-cynical from day one; and it comes as no surprise to me to learn that you are seeking to blame others for your own mistakes and failings.This is a support forum; should you wish to raise doubts as to the benefits of liver flushing then please do so in the appropriate debate forum.
I would allow you the right to complain and doubt if I knew that you had followed the flushing guidelines to the very letter - this includes diet, spacing the flushes out sufficiently and following the set protocols accurately. Unfortunately, it appears as if you attempted to follow your own "rules" and have suffered the consequences. You can not blame tried-and-tested protocols after you have dabbled and failed; nor can you blame "us" out of sheer frustration.
However severe your health problems (physical and otherwise) I can not imagine them ever being resolved through childish name-calling.
Perfect health requires perfect living; i.e. to exist as closely to Divinity as is humanly possible. Patience and intelligence will serve you far better than intensive, thoughtless, and seemingly militant crusades to purify. You will have already realised this of course, assuming that you have calmed somewhat since your last posts.
Take care,
Lee.- Re: Frustrated; Foolish; Irrational Chris SD
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This is a reply to # 175,570Dude, criticising me not trying to help me is rather a failure on your part, I except my failings, I admit to everything you've said and I know the reasons for them but to just basically have a go at me is pretty lame since yeah, I will argue till I'm blue in the face for no real reason. Everyone else, well mostly everyone else, has been fairly tolerant of me and have tried to offer some advice which I'm grateful for. You can't just become a sympathetic/nice person, this is where health of the body comes in, I just have to actually achieve what I preach.
- Re: Frustrated; Foolish; Irrational #48222
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This is a reply to # 175,571As I alluded to in my previous post, I have read your comments since day one and I find it ultimately futile to try and "help" you. Someone attempted to advise you a little earlier and you replied: "Your an idiot."
I gave you advice in the second half of my previous post; should you choose to ignore it then that is entirely your decision.
I shall advise you once more, if I may: Detail your problems and woes and compose a factually accurate and coherent set of questions to ask of someone like Andreas Moritz , for example. Ranting on a support forum will neither heal your frustration nor your liver.- Re: Frustrated; Foolish; Irrational Chris SD
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- Re: Frustrated; Foolish; Irrational #48222
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- Re: The journey #48222
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This is a reply to # 175,570
Sceptic:
"...the liver flush is a farce. Now I have some proof and it seems to make sense. My belief is that it is the sudden bowel release and the intake of grapefruit juice which makes you feel better. As for the olive oil that just makes the stones along with the epsom salts. Ask yourselves this, if the liver flush is so great, why does drinking that olive oil make you want to throw up or is certainly not pleasurable or healthy?"
Becoming reasonable:
"I did the flush, I think I passed like 100 small, pea-sized stones, lime green in colour and about 10 medium sized stones, about the size of a peanut,maybe a little bigger. I do feel better but I can't help thinking it might of been the Black Walnut Tincture I added to the mixture, I had some more today and felt even better but this might coincide with passing more stones. Anyhow, it worked and all was good, gonna do another soon, thanks for all the advice."
"I've been feeling really good since doing the flush (look how much calmer I am), I'm still torn over whether it was the Blackwalnut tincture or not and am drinking more of that anyhow."
On mini-flushing:
"The 'mini-flushes' work, I just passed about 50 stones and a load of debris, this has been inbetween eating fairly lightly but nothing too strict at all. The key I think is to have a lie down or go for a walk after drinking it, essentially anything to get your gallbladder going (via deep breathing etc). So do the mini-liver flushes, I was wrong they work and work very well."
"It really isn't that daunting doing the mini-flushes, I found they made me feel good straight away. I did try them with salads (since this was my dressing pretty much anyway) but seemed to find it more effective on its own and followed by a walk or a lie down, for some reason alkaline forming foods such as vegetables or fruit mess up the process for me but if you try it both ways theres no harm done. I found the stones appeared at most a day after I did it but they don't always come, as I say it made me feel good and the odd burst of stones was good too. The best time to do it is definitely when your hungry or first thing in the morning, essentially when you feel 'ready' to."
Conclusion:"The reason why this will never be in schools is that someone, somewhere will/would screw it up and make themselves very ill..."
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