Why Curezone's ranking is dropping 
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There was an interesting recent discussion on the Ask Curezone forum about the drop in search rankings for Curezone. Since the moderator there has a personal agenda against me and will not let me post there I decided to post my thoughts on the issue here.
The claim is that CZ was ranked in the top 10 for alternative health sites a while back, but it now ranked 11,975. Of course there are all sorts of excuses, which include infiltration by pro-mainstream medical supporters. But I think the answer is so much more simple than that. As the thread pointed out number 1 is Mercola. So has Mercola risen while Curezone has dropped. Simple, Mercola backs what he is claiming with scientific evidence and studies. Curezone on the other hand is riddled with pseudoscientific hogwash and unsupported claims. Just look at the Liver Flush Support forum and the Liver Flush Debate forum for great examples. No matter how much evidence is presented that those big green blobs are not real gallstones the pro-flush supporters continue to insist these are real gallstones, and have even posted what appears to be fake lab reports to back their claims. But as I pointed out those green blobs DO NOT have the color, consistency, opacity, density, hardness or any other characteristic of real gallstones, except the occasional sterol-cholesterol complex stone that does share the cholesterol also found in most real gallstones.
The general public is smart enough to figure out real from hype with a little research. And with the internet I think the general public is more eager to search out the facts. It is no longer a task of going to the medical library and wading through a sea of abstracts. Finding and narrowing down the search for valid medical information is readily available at our fingertips. And even though some of this research is conflicting or contradictory, it is still easy to find other research or explanations for the flaws in some research or its interpretation to get a pretty good grasp on the truth. With all this information so readily available but claims still being contradictory what are people seeking the truth going to gravitate to? Yes, towards sites that back their claims with real and solid evidence including research studies. Again this is why Mercola is number one.
And as I have pointed out numerous times in the past, the people here repeatedly posting false, misleading and unsubstantiated claims are doing more to hurt the alternative medicine movement than any pro-mainstream "detractor" could ever do. If a pro-medical "detractor posts here they are looked at like a crackpot or conspiracy theorist. So they really not doing much harm. But have someone here post proven garbage like liver flushing is releasing gallstones the size of quarters or larger even though this is impossible, or acids in the body will turn the body in to a puddle of goo and Curezone starts looking like the home of the crackpots. Claiming proven false information as fact not only on Curezone, but on other alternative websites just makes anyone in alternative medicine look like a gullible fool. As I said before if we ever want alternative medicines to be accepted right along side with mainstream medicine we need to clean up the fallacies being presented by so many alternative medical followers and start presenting more solid evidence to the claims being made. And the old excuse that nobody is going to do studies on alternatives is not going to cut it. Studies have already been done and presented for a number of alternatives from herbs to ozone showing they work. Here are some examples I have posted in the past:
http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1458521#i
http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1457185#i
http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1452766#i
http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1453503#i
http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1445319#i
http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1535880#i
http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1532763#i
http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1524434#i
http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1458749#i
http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1534345#i
http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1528361#i
http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1528359#i
http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1528351#i
http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1528346#i
http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1628955#i
http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1534775#i
http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1512938#i
http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1582179#i
http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1476583#i
http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1467361#i
http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1647681#i
http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1651912#i
http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1536929#i
http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1551791#i
http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1486795#i
http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1523717#i
Therefore if people on Curezone really want Curezone's ranking go up they need to stop posting excuses and start posting real evidence to their claims. It is really that simple.
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I'm not surprised curezone's ranking has dropped. I only come on here now because you are here.
I don't understand why these other sites aren't taken off curezone and held up as being bogus practices. Some are out right dangerous. People would have more respect for cz then, if they sorted out the chaff from the wheat, and hold their hands up and admit that these sites should not be on here. - Re: Why Curezone's ranking is droppi... Ruffneck
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,689,051The forum software is outdated and there are too many subforums.Mercolas site is far easier to navigate and find information clearly on in my opinion.
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This is a reply to # 1,689,073I believe it is also a matter of trust. For the most part, this is the only Forum here I hang at regularly [I swing by several times a day in fact]. Sometimes I visit Tony Isaacs Forum too. Why? Because I TRUST YOU AND HIM! I've read your posts and articles and find them true and trustworthy!
Mercola is a good site, no doubt about it, but some of what he puts up is OPINION and SPECULATION and it is presented as factual. PLUS, he has a vested business interest as well since he also SELLS PRODUCTS on his site. Many times it is the PERCEPTION of truth that sells the site more than the FACTS themselves.
You will never convince everyone that what you speak is truth ... all you can do is keep 'preaching' the truth you know and those 'with ears to hear' will listen and heed. Don't let the naysayers wear you down, James. You are doing a GOOD THING here and I for one [and I know many others agree] am VERY THANKFUL for all you do!
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This is a reply to # 1,689,082
I believe it is also a matter of trust. For the most part, this is the only Forum here I hang at regularly [I swing by several times a day in fact]. Sometimes I visit Tony Isaacs Forum too. Why? Because I TRUST YOU AND HIM! I've read your posts and articles and find them true and trustworthy!
Mercola is a good site, no doubt about it, but some of what he puts up is OPINION and SPECULATION and it is presented as factual.I agree, there are some things we definitely do not see eye to eye on such as he has presented the same old disproven myths about soy as fact, and I have debunked these myths. But still at least he tries to present evidence to his claims. You ask for evidence here on Curezone and you usually get something like "so and so felt better after doing _______". This is hardly evidence though. First of all feeling better does not mean healed. Morphine will make you feel better if you break your back, but this does not mean the fracture is healed. These claims also fail to take in to account placebo effect. And when people are dealing with serious issues particularly they tend to make multiple lifestyle changes. For instance a person with cancer may start eating better, taking supplements and exercising. If they happen to do a "liver flush" as well what is really making them feel better? Again this is why we have studies to rule out things such as placebo and secondary factors. This is evidence, not my grandmother's uncle's brother did a liver flush and he was suddenly cured of ________. These kind of testimonials mean nothing. If they really want to be taken seriously they should start with providing evidence to their basis. In the case of liver flushing prove that those big green squishy blobs people are passing are real gallstones as is being claimed even though they show no characteristics of real gallstones. When they find out that these are not real gallstones they need to drop that claim and start collecting real evidence to their other claims. For example how does doing these "flushes" cure allergies as they claim?
PLUS, he has a vested business interest as well since he also SELLS PRODUCTS on his site. Many times it is the PERCEPTION of truth that sells the site more than the FACTS themselves.
You will never convince everyone that what you speak is truth ... all you can do is keep 'preaching' the truth you know and those 'with ears to hear' will listen and heed. Don't let the naysayers wear you down, James. You are doing a GOOD THING here and I for one [and I know many others agree] am VERY THANKFUL for all you do!Thank you very much.
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This is a reply to # 1,689,051I think a lot of the problem, is the obsession by some people on CZ, with conspiracies, NWO, TPTB, elites or whatever flavour of Conspiracy is currently in vogue. When someone disagrees with this viewpoint, they are branded as a sheople, a shill (we've both copped that one hey Hv), a disinformation agent, (paid or unpaid), to the point that people do not want to post on some forums or are hounded constantly because they do not subscribe to this paranoid view.
I have friends that love this forum, because there is none of the paranoia here, there are a few other forums that also do not buy into this view, but many more that do.
You are absolutely correct James, people don't want Conspiracy theories, they don't want bogus advice, they want good advice backed by scientific studies, and a good deal of common sense. Protocols and advice that can be independantly verified, and are backed by sound knowledge of biology, anatomy, chemistry and physics. This is the reason why your forum is one of the most popular on CZ :)
I hope I can run my own forum with the same solid basis in science, that you have with this one James.
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This is a reply to # 1,689,098Boy, Spud, is that ever true! Soooo sick of the paranoia and Conspiracy theories. It really has gotten out of hand.
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This is a reply to # 1,689,286I think a lot of it is very depressing and dis-empowering as well. If were all being killed off systematically by our own governments, or secretive group of very rich people, then what is the point of trying to get healthy.
I think if there were secret societies of rich people, illuminati, reptilian shape shifters etc etc etc, then this is exactly the attitude they would want their victims to have. "We're all doomed, so is the planet, so why bother".
When I first visited Curezone , it wasn't as bad as it is now. I have recommended forums, like this one, to people, and they have come back to me and said that they love this forum, but what's with all the Conspiracy BS on the rest of the site.
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This is a reply to # 1,689,402I think it has to do with the mind-set of some of the folks who come here to CZ, and their trust issues. CZ attracts folks who are looking for alternative answers to health care because the medical establishment has let them down, so they no longer trust trad. med. (ok, I get that one), but that lack of trust in some folks has extrapolated to a lack of trust in ANYTHING. Then you add on that people pretty much believe only what they want to believe or what fits into their pre-conceived views (unless their brain gets hit by a figurative truck), and will discard evidence that does not match their beliefs, and then group together to share and defend those beliefs, which only serves to cement that they are correct. I think it is fear-based. Basically, what I am trying to say is that some of these alternative Health Forums seem to be filled by a lot of people who don't trust trad. med., and as it seems to have turned out, are also untrusting of just about anything as well. Floored me, since I thought they'd be populated with hippies and tree huggers and liberals - ya know - the kind of folks you USED to think about when you thought about health food. ;)- Re: Why Curezone's ranking is droppi... spudlydoo
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This is a reply to # 1,690,475A really good assessment, I agree, there are a lot of people with trust issues here, I'm one of them. I have seen the greedy, nasty side of mainstream medicine.
What I have also seen though, is the good and genuine people, (doctors and scientists), that are involved in independent studies, and are not involved in the corporate takeover of our health. They are humanitarians, and they do care, but they get tarred with the same brush as all the rest.
Scientific studies of alternative health methods do not have to involve huge expense, and there are many studies carried out by independent scientists, and these studies are valid and worthwhile.
What I have found, and a lot of on CZ, is the dismissal of anything that even involves the word 'science' or 'scientist', and anyone who promotes research, (even simply doing your own research), to verify claims made by alternative practitioners, is branded as a shill, agent etc.
What I have also noticed is, that if you recognise that there is a Conspiracy of corporate greed involving pharmaceutical and mainstream medical entities, you somehow have to believe in all the other Conspiracy rubbish as well.
I have tried to explain many times, that while I absolutely agree that there is a Conspiracy of greed in many areas of life, including mainstream medicine, oil and mining industries, politics (although not all), and other areas, I do not agree that this is a NWO plot, that we are all the victims of the Rothschilds/Rockefellers, or that we are being farmed by aliens, or depopulated by the illuminati and their puppets, and so on, and so forth.
What has happened lately, is that these views (conspiracy theories, religious, political etc), mostly remained in the Debate Forums , or the specific forums where these subjects can be discussed, these views have seeped out into every forum, and this paranoia and distrust, and harrassment of anyone who thinks differently, has infected CZ to such an extent, that many people do not want to post here, (I have personally had this said to me many times).
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This is a reply to # 1,690,626
What I have found, and a lot of on CZ, is the dismissal of anything that even involves the word 'science' or 'scientist', and anyone who promotes research, (even simply doing your own research), to verify claims made by alternative practitioners, is branded as a shill, agent etc.
Yes, I agree. And I can see why. If we start showing that many alternatives have been studied and proven then the alternatives with no studies look bogus. And since they cannot justify that their particular claims, such as those for "liver flushing", have no evidence to back them they just reject all studies as bogus so they don't have to justify their own lack of evidence. An all or none attitude.
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This is a reply to # 1,690,713It's because scientists are educated and are products of universities, which are evil institutions controlled by the government for the creation of slave masters to lie to and poison the masses for profit.
Or in other words, CZ has been taken over by a bunch of crack pots.
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This is a reply to # 1,689,098I think a lot of the problem, is the obsession by some people on CZ, with conspiracies, NWO, TPTB, elites or whatever flavour of conspiracy is currently in vogue. When someone disagrees with this viewpoint, they are branded as a sheople, a shill (we've both copped that one hey Hv), a disinformation agent, (paid or unpaid), to the point that people do not want to post on some forums or are hounded constantly because they do not subscribe to this paranoid view.
Great point. Yes, I have been called a pharmaceutical shill more times than I would like to count even though my posting history shows a completely different story. But it is their way of chasing off anyone posting real evidence.
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This is a reply to # 1,689,355Yes, I think your right Hv, it is a form of bullying, because the more you try and defend yourself, the more they try and paint you as a conspirator. Sad.
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This is a reply to # 1,689,051in my 4/5 years of curezone i at the start visited barefoots forum the most, after that Dr. Sutter's, some moreless and later on also some Iodine suppl. forum
2 of those advocate rigorous parasite cleansing before doing liver flushing, 1 of those forums advocated megadosing iodine
i have to be fair here and say my digestion improved greatly ever since i liver flushed a couple of times. i had huge stuff come out, and im not talking "stones". i dont know WHAT came out (a huge buttload of thread-like stuff) but it was alot and for some reason ever since then my digestion has been much better, namely my then somewhat regular diarrea being gone and having much firmer well formed stool.
at that same time i also used a terminator zapper and that gave relief as well, so i am not 100% sure which of those 'therapies' have been of the most benefit to me. for sure though is a combination of those things ( parasite cleansing/liverflushing/zapping) did SOMETHING quite beneficial for me, especially regarding digestion.
at this point im sure the theory that you 'flush' out Gallstones by liverflushing is bullcrap (after reading your common sense posts on it) but it seems to be the case people are improving from liver flushing, for some reason maybe not yet known. you mentioned Liver Flushing clearing up stagnant bile and that being the reason people feel better after a flush, but does that explain the buttload of other improvements people seem to experience?
your forum these days is the only one i still visit on curezone. basically because of what other people mentioned, it being backed up by science. im using your super ginkgo green and its one of the very few supplements and alternative approaches i tried (and i tried a shitload|) actually benefiting me, so i trust what your saying.- Re: Why Curezone's ranking is droppi... hanna
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This is a reply to # 1,689,163When I read about the rating I had a more simplistic view since they mentioned healthsites.
I read the Mosaic page every day or I should say scan and there are now more forums about religion, politics etc.
Some time back we did not have Debate Forums and so many non-healthforums. - Re: Why Curezone's ranking is droppi... Hveragerthi
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This is a reply to # 1,689,163
at this point im sure the theory that you 'flush' out gallstones by liverflushing is bullcrap (after reading your common sense posts on it) but it seems to be the case people are improving from liver flushing, for some reason maybe not yet known. you mentioned liver flushing clearing up stagnant bile and that being the reason people feel better after a flush, but does that explain the buttload of other improvements people seem to experience?
That is what i would like to know. I see no basis for many of the claims, but at the same time we do not have complete stories. Maybe these people are doing more than one thing. Maybe they were constipated and the oil and magnesium cleaned them out. Maybe they were magnesium deficient to begin with. Maybe it is simply placebo effect. Again this is why we need studies.
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This is a reply to # 1,689,051Here is my take on few things mentioned here:
- Forum moderators on CZ are often egotistical maniacs. In addition, their "knowledge" is questionable at best. Iodine support forum is probably the best example, although there are many others too (" parasites support" although it has been split to " parasite glaxony" and other forums, which took a few years)... then there was a forum held by some three individuals who are outright going insane from their power hunger and so on. Having such moderators will ensure that quality of forum declines more and more. And indeed, every time I take a peek, which is very rare these days, the forum is worse then the last time.
- Forum layout is confusing, as are Forum Rules . There are private forums where "owners" are allowed to do as they please. While curezone seems to be about gathering alternative health knowledge in spirit of support, someone could start their own private forum and promote whatever idea they want, in whatever spirit they want.
- Anyone trying to do something good, as Dusan tried with CZ, will be exposed to all kinds of attempts to ruin the work. He made a mistake of doing very little to prevent that from happenening. CZ forums have been sometimes flooded with PR people from all sides (e.g. vaccination forum), and their messages and accounts are treated with equal "respect" as others who are really have something to contribute. It takes a bit more assertiveness than that for a good thing to survive.
- Liver Flush does work. My experience suggests that it DOES get rid of gallstones, no matter what others may think. To suggest that it is just "pseudoscientific hogwash" without mentioning its benenefits is exactly the type of egotistical attitude of most on this forum.
Here is one good example who the OP is going against: Edgar Cayce . He was the first to suggest many alternative medical practices and therapies which today we take for granted: he channelled the whole idea of osteopathic adjustments which is today known as chiropractic adjastments. He was the first to explain the importance of pH balance in our tissues and acid forming vs alkaline forming foods. He was the first to give information on alternative uses of castor oil, including castor oil packs which have saved lives. He was the first to suggest the use of ultrasound to help heal injuries which is today used in pretty much every physical therapy clinic. And he was the first to explain Liver Flush as well, although done differently from Dr Clark recipe. He made mistakes in not more then 2% of his readings, out of 14,000, and I have seen Liver Flush work wonders. Yet I am to believe the OP rather then my own experience and readings of Edgar Cayce ? (I highly doubt that OP ever read Edgar Cayce readings on liver flush). CZ had a great idea even in that respect with those polls, which also give a good indication of how helpful liver flush can be.
That's why CZ sucks. It has become a magnet for inflated egos who can't see anything beyond their own agenda.- Re: Why Curezone's ranking is droppi... luciapp
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,689,241I disagree. Alternative health is based on tons and tons of different idea's, theories, and thoughts. Some work, some dont(most dont). HV is here to try and weed through the crap for all of us, I think he's doing a tremendous job. He may not be 100% right as nobody is or there wouldnt be different forums. There would be only 1 forum called "THIS IS THE WAY AND THE ONLY WAY" It is way to easy to get lost and overcome with information here on curezone that many newcomers probably just cash out because they dont know who to believe because every forum keeps tugging and pulling them to follow his or her protocal. The facts HV states for Liver Flushes are FACTS like it or not. If Liver Flushes work maybe it is due to the release of stagnate bile, extra magnesium in the body, a day of fasting that usually refreshes the body and mind. If it were as easy as a Liver Flush to cure candida, allergies, parasites, adrenal fatigue, autoimmune disorders then i'd probaly eat like shit, never sleep, get drunk every night and sleep with whomever i please then go home a do a Liver Flush and watch all my transgressions disappear. Its not that simple and since CZ is starting to suck atleast we have HV. Agree with HV or not he makes alot more sense than ANYONE ive ever learned from.
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