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old news for some of us, but for those who want to understand the danger:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080125223302.htm
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This is a reply to # 1,636,704This is called "flogging a dead horse" John.
No one but no one in the field of Vitamin D research takes Trevor Marshall seriously.
After receiving his undergraduate degree Marshall completed a master's degree at the University of Adelaide in 1978, and PhD in 1984 at the University of Western Australia, ALL in ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING.
Marshall suffered from Sarcoidosis (sar-koy-DO-sis) which is meant to be a disease of "unknown cause" that leads to inflammation. It affects various organs in the body.
Sarcoidosis..............
Normally, the immune system will defend the body against foreign or harmful substances: for example, it sends special cells to protect organs that are in danger.
These cells release chemicals that recruit other cells to isolate and destroy the harmful substance. Inflammation occurs during this process. Once the harmful substance is destroyed, the cells and the inflammation go away.
However, in people who have sarcoidosis, the inflammation doesn't go away. Instead, some of the immune system cells cluster to form lumps called granulomas (gran-yu-LO-mas) in various organs in your body.
The established view is that Sarcoidosis has an unknown cause, but Hygienists have established over decades-past that disease has but ONE cause: Toxemia.
Once the body is free from its toxic load of an endogenous and/or exogenous origin via physiological and physical rest, the body becomes a self-regulating, self-repairing, and self-maintaining organism.
Physiological rest corrects and heals a malfunctioning metabolism, strengthens the immune system, and all other work of repair and healing that only the body can perform, given the ideal circumstances of warmth, rest, fresh air, clean water, judicious sunbathing, nutrition, and water-only fasting. The latter of which diverts digestive energy into the main work of the body................cleansing and healing.
If you have ever experienced a broken bone or known someone who has, observe who or what did the healing: the Doctor or the body?
Only the body heals itself.
Chrisb1.
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This is a reply to # 1,636,761In response to Chrisb1:
1. Generally, the body is best at healing itself..but not always when there is a weapon being used against it! You are only partially correct when you state that sarcoidosis is caused by TOXEMIA. The toxemia is caused by a cytokine cascade from the micoplasm that causes the Vitamin D disreguation.
2. Mycoplasms were created as a BIOWEAPON after WW2 and are now resulting in over 100 autoimmune diseases becoming more pervasive. All of the references and studies are available.
3. What I have learned is that the cause of Sarcoidosis is scientifically PROVEN, thanks to Trevor Marshall. It is easily observable in the body as a mycoplasm or cell-wall deficient bacterial infection under magnification, which causes the Vitamin D disregulation.
4. Trevor Marshall is DIRECTLY responsible for saving my wife's life. My wife is a Dir of Nursing and is a highly experienced nurse. After going to an outdoor event at Pepperdine University and getting mildly sunburned, she was rushed to the ER with life threatening tachycardia. After a steady decline over ten years with 24 different and debilitating symptoms, she was the ultimate poster child for sarcoidosis. After six months of pneumonia that no Antibiotic was resolving, and numerous other issues,it was clear that she was not going to last another month. Her physician agreed to attempt the Marshall Protocol (MP), since he believed that the alternative was fatal.
Immediately within two weeks after starting the Marshall Protocol, ALL of her symptoms resolved and she was able to return to work! This has been replicated many times over, by numerous other patients.
5. Dr Sharma, who is the very respected President of the Sarcoidosis Society and works out of Cedar Sinai, told me that generally when there is cardiac involvement the patient does not last a year. He also stated there was no known cause or cure for sarcoidosis. He was openly antagonistic and dismissive of the Marshall Protocol.
6. The MP has been maligned as being a dangerous protocol, and yet Benicar is recognized by the FDA as one of the safest drugs in the PDR.
7. Although it may not be for everyone, I can assure you this was not an isolated case of spontaneous remission, or of the body magically healing itself. My beloved wife would not be here if it wasn't for Trevor Marshall and the Marshall Protocol.
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This is a reply to # 2,019,835Thank you for that response DrDavidson.
I am glad to hear that your wife had such a recovery under the Marshall Protocol. However, there could have had been other reasons for this other than those you have described.
The Marshall Protocol has been debunked by many health professionals, including one Professor Lappe with her cancer research, and the consensus of Medical opinion states that there is no known cause of sarcoidosis, other than "something" that causes the inflammation.
Mycoplasm, as I understand it, is a bacterial infection untouched by pharmaceutical Antibiotics , but the course of treatment I would have opted for, would have been a course of Colloidal Silver , which contains properties known to kill over 650 pathogens of both of a bacterial and viral nature, including the MRSA bug.
The second avenue I would have explored following this approach, would have been a complete water-only-fast (and before you scoff) this is known to those in the know to eliminate ALL toxemia, whilst simultaneously strengthening the immune system and normalizing the biochemistry of the body, and allowing a much greater healing response from the body itself. This is something that will probably be alien to your education and possible medical background? but has been around since the time of Hippocrates (Hippocratic Oath) who regularly used the practice in healing his patients.
Vitamin D regulation would then not be an issue as this would have been resolved.
There is also something very odd and strange about depriving the body of Vitamin D completely for a significant length of time, when we are designed by Nature to receive sunlight on our skin for the manufacture of Vitamin D and other sunlight benefits, as long as it is done judiciously in the same way we have a need for water; and of course the long term use of Benicar which can and does have serious side effects.
I recall how HRT therapy was touted and endorsed by Medicine, but was later proven to be detrimental to health, and how cholesterol has been touted as the villain in Heart disease, but has very little to do with it (although it does allow the marketing and use of pharmaceutical drugs) in profiteering.
I am sure that Trevor Marshall had good intentions in dealing with his sarcoidosis and recommending his protocol to others, and that it somehow worked in some cases, but for the vast majority of the time it actually proved to be a failure.
I am not in favour of quoting these people, but.............
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/the-marshal-protocol/
AND...........
http://blog.trackyourplaque.com/2008/03/the-marshall-protocol-and-other-fairy...
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You claim not to be a fan of the Marshall Procol, yet you continue to trot out questionable bunk by Marshall, along with Marshall board member Albert and Albert's girlfriend and Marshall shill Amy Proal - three oddball grains of sands motivated by profit in a Sahara desert of studies, scientific opinion that say just the opposite.
You have stated and repeated your case enough already.
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This is a reply to # 1,637,236" three oddball grains of sands motivated by profit in a Sahara desert of studies,"
LOL
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This is a reply to # 1,637,236not posting for you or Chris B, DQ, but rather for all the people who have no idea what vit d can do to you. or that it is in many cases harmful (long term). I am not alone either, even on curezone. see posts from the other day, and in other forums here. Not my fault that Marshall was the first to figure this out and later developed a crappy protocol to deal with it. But his research about the how vit D works in the body is overall, correct. for that, and for the people on curezone who tipped me off to this issue, i owe many thanks. marshall's studies are much better than the mindless correlational drivel that the vit d counsel dumps out consistently. which, if anyone bothered to read, would realize is nothing more than garbage. instead, you just see the headlines, like any other medico mafia agenda...
as for being marshall's shill, I have been at curezone longer than you or chris b. so, no, I don't think so.
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,637,347http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20435648
of course the pharma shills who did the study probably believe its a good thing... to stop the inate system from functioning properly. who needs immune reactions? they make you feel uncomfortable, and, interfere with all those pesky diseases we are trying to foist on an unknowing public. can't have that.
sorry, but it is a plain as the nose on my face... just have to know what to look for. this study confirms everything that i have said. might want to think about this before popping that vit d pill in your mouth. ten years from now, you will regret it mightily.
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This is a reply to # 1,637,352here is another tip off... of course mainstream pharma is not opening studying effects of crippling the immune system (regardless of whether that is the end result)
In this study we are told that vit d suppresses another part of the inate immune system, which mainstream medicine believes is responsible for various overactive reactions causing needless inflammation...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18411217
what they either don't realize or don't want to admit is that the body is using this pathway and inflammation to COMBAT A PATHOGEN. exactly as designed, but simply not strong enough to do the job. their answer? of course, turn of the immune system and make the discomfort go away via none other than vitamin D. how about that? of course that would mean... the body's defenses are further compromised? and yes, you see this coming, the pathogen makes itself right at home with no further interference from the immune system. and the individual, a customer for life of pharma, with various maladies that are not connected with the hidden pathogens that mainstream medicine says don't exist. what a world. take your vit d at your own risk.
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This is a reply to # 1,637,387what really astonishes me is that I can post info like this again and again, only to get the same boiler plate response to the effect that vit d is a sacred cow... no criticism allowed. the fact that people can't even be open minded enough after reading the obvious issue with immune suppression spelled out enough, to admit there might be an issue with vit d speaks volumes. people are on autopilot and refuse to see the obvious. I know, I was there.
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This is a reply to # 1,637,387Johng,
the link you have provided as further "evidence" of Vitamin D's immunosuppression...............
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18411217
..............only supports my own view and not yours..............
Conclusion.
"These results suggest that the inflammation triggered through TLR2 and TLR4 is important in the pathogenesis of BD. And it seems possible that vitamin D may be used as a therapeutic option by modulating TLR2 and TLR4 expression of monocytes in BD".
The conclusion clearly states that "Vitamin D may be used as a THERAPEUTIC OPTION", and not act as an immunosuppressive or in any way be detrimental to health, so you are only referencing evidence in support of my own argument.
The other link you have provided again only supports my own argument..........................
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20435648
in that it states in conclusion.................
"This may have significant biological relevance and may be a factor in the association of (vitamin D deficiency) with susceptibility to autoimmune disease".
It seems you are lacking in any in-depth study or comprehension of the data that you and/or I have posted-on in previous encounters.
With reference to Big Pharmas agenda in pushing Vitamin D like a drug, could only happen if they produce an analog and profit from its use. This is of course how they make their money.
Vitamin D3 cannot be patented.
As for the Vitamin D Council producing nothing more than garbage, the Science that they publish on their website is for the most part "independently conducted and researched" with no influence on their part. The Council only reports on these findings.
Further: Vitamin D3 or Cholecalciferol is not a drug but a nutrient.
A further analogy could be made with Ascorbate or Vitamin C:
dietary sources are only minimal, with a recommended daily allowance of only 75mg, but in Orthomolecular Medicine daily doses of up to 24,000mg have been used successfully in the cure of the so-called "incurable" Eisenmenger syndrome.
I also notice that The Peoples Chemist, Shane Ellison, has published an article entitled "The Vitamin D Scam", but when confronted with a reply outlining the supportive evidence, my post was censored with no response. All the while he touts and sells his own supplements from his website!!!
Your posts are countered John because they are erroneous, and do not conform to the overwhelming, supportive, and independent scientific evidence from the Scientific community.
Chrisb1.
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Did you read the study? of course that is the spin they put on it... Vit D suppresses the inate immune system. they conclude that it may be positive because the inate immune system is "causing" autoimmune disease... i would expect big pharma to buy that line of crap, but not a regular curezone poster.- Re: another red flag... (again, not ... chrisb1
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This is a reply to # 1,637,652If you would like to explain this "spin", as to WHAT it is and WHY they are doing it, with WHAT motives exactly?
Delusional fantasy John.
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Ah, but you see I for one do happen to consistently read the material turned out by the Vitamin D council and I also have read a great many of the studies conducted on Vitamin D benefits. I have also read what Marshall, Albert and Proal have turned out and, beside the fact of them being in a very, very tiny minority, I find their pick and choose writings to be more drivel by far than the Vitamin D council materials and the studies conducted by far, far more knowledgeable and qualified people than the Marshall trio. Much of their writing appears to me to be as biased as some pharmaceutical funded studies, where they decided the outcome in advance and then proceeded to select material and excerpts to support their preconception. In some articles I have found where they even took exerpts from articles by proponents of Vitamin D supplementation and used them out of context.
The human body will produce up to 20,000 units of Vitamin D3 daily from exposure to sunshine (but no more than that). How then could it be dangerous for the vast majority of people to supplement at levels below that amount? I am sure that you could again quote from the Marshall Trio, but their credibility is sorely lacking to me.
Congrats on being around CZ for such a long time. I apologize for linking you to the Marshall gang, but you continue to hammer away at the issue and it is one that we disagree on. The large majority is not always right, but they are more often than not - and when it comes to Vitamin D that majority is immense. It will take a lot more than the writings of the Marshall trio to convince me otherwise.
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This is a reply to # 1,637,475I keep posting be cause I understand the import of the issue. and I also understand that the info is generally hidden. Vit D is now being pushed like a drug by mainstream medicine. ever stop and wonder why? think the docs suddenly just want to help people? My friend's newborn baby was just prescribed vit d drops because the doctor said mom was probably deficient. no tests done. mainstream doctor. a baby! its insanity. even mercola knows that is crazy (read his articles).
see links I posted above. everything you need to know is there, if you but just look.
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I keep posting be cause I understand the import of the issue. and I also understand that the info is generally hidden. Vit D is now being pushed like a drug by mainstream medicine.
No, Main stream medicine is pushing vaccines, and the alternative is Vitamin D3 to boost the immune system.
Anyway you have made your point many times, and the readers will do what they are going to do.
I will continue to take D3 when I can't get enough sun.
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This is a reply to # 1,637,507Sorry if I sound ignorant,
but does cod liver oil "count" as vitamin D in this discussion? I was assuming that the clinical trials or whatever were utilizing a vitamin pill form of D.- Re: Are you connected to Trevor Mars... chrisb1
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This is a reply to # 1,637,986Yes HarmonicCharge it does count.
http://www.drbenkim.com/cod-liver-oil-vitamin-A-D.htm
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This is a reply to # 1,638,092This is interesting from that link:
>>Carlson does blend in extra vitamin D (from cod liver oil) when necessary to ensure that the final product contains approximately 400 IU of vitamin D per teaspoon.<<
I was just wondering if the discussion above or the arguments for or against vitamin D supplementation were usually referring to taking a tablet of vitamin D. Somehow that is what I get the gist of.
I, myself, find I benefit from the A that comes with the D in Cod Liver Oil, but like the info you provided, the amount of A differs from company to company. And, they didn't think so, but Carlson does have a low A Cod Liver Oil which I mistakenly bought once. It had barely any A, can't remember the exact amount but...not even in the double digits of the so-called RDA.Advertisement
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