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I know that ES is used to both clean out the bowel as well as to relax/expand the bile ducts. But, why two separate doses? Is the 1st dose to clean bowel and the 2nd dose to relax the bile ducts? Or, is it also because the body can only asimilate so much ES at a time, so you need to spread it out?
I'm doing another Liver-Flush this friday, my 2nd flush this week. Since I'm planning to do at least one flush per week, I'd like to reduce my dependency on ES (ES can be harsh on my body). A lunch Coffee-Enema on the flush day should keep my bowel pretty clean, so I'm thinking to skip the 1st dose of ES and just use one dose to relax the bile ducts. Or, I should still use two doses but reduce the dosage by half accordingly?
Eventually, with the help of Lobiella (muscle relaxer) and IF#1 (catharic herbs to keep bowel empty), I should be able to eliminate ES completely in my Liver-Flush routine. Keep my fingers crossed....
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,414,267With the amount of prepping you've done and coffee enemas 'at the ready', there's really no need to use Epsom Salts anymore (in my opinion, but I'm not your 'doctor within').
I honestly have no idea what the reason for the first dose is...when I do ES flushes, I NEVER take the first dose. However, I have read of people getting out stones and debris by just taking that first dose. So it certainly doesn't hurt anything (if one enjoys ES and the harshness that comes along with it). People also sometimes get out stones with a CE.
>>>A lunch Coffee-Enema on the flush day should keep my bowel pretty clean, so I'm thinking to skip the 1st dose of ES and just use one dose to relax the bile ducts<<<
I like that plan :)
>>>Eventually, with the help of Lobiella (muscle relaxer) and IF#1 (catharic herbs to keep bowel empty), I should be able to eliminate ES completely in my Liver-Flush routine<<<
And I like that plan, too!
Now you're seriously starting to "get it". Learn what everything does and how it works, and customize for YOU!
You're a shooting star - keep up the good work!
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Everything I do was by accident or just plain experimentation. One dose doesn't do one thing and the next dose does something else. It will affect the entire body all at once. One dose may very well be enough. I am looking at my container of Epsom Salts . It says, as a laxative, 1-2 teaspoons in a half a cup of water. Repeat if necessary in 4 hours . Limit of 2 doses per day. Lemon juice may be added to improve taste.
I'm sure you can find rationale for one big dose or 2 half doses. Try it the way you want to do it and just make note of the results.
By the way in off weeks of LF, I do CE's. I take one dose of ES 1-2 hours beforehand.
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This is a reply to # 1,414,306I do the same as you with the coffee enema but when my liver feels congested I add a good swig of oil and a teaspoon or two of Lecithin Granules and my Coffee-Enema turns into a Liver Flush. I get out lots of stones this way.
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This is a reply to # 1,414,310That's a fantastic "mini flush"!! Just be SURE the lecithin is ORGANIC/ no gmo. Genetically-Modified soy is VERY bad for the liver.
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This is a reply to # 1,414,323Yeah I don't think it's Organic so I will have to go back down to the Health Food Store and find Organic.
Gotta protect that Liver! :)
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- What is Lecithin Granules? tierra
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- Lecithin instead of Citrus!?! tierra
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This is a reply to # 1,415,047Am I missing something obvious here? Are you using Lecithin+Oil instead of the conventional Citrus+Oil flush? What is the benefit of lecithin over citrus?
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This is a reply to # 1,416,706When I do coffee enemas to get out Stones there seems to be no need for Citrus however, there have been times that I also downed (by mouth, this DOES NOT go into the plain Coffee Enema) the juice of a Lemon or two along with Epsom Salts , Oil and Lecithin, to help along the process.
You always need the Citrus in a regular Liver Flush even in the Classic Coke Flush.
Lecithin pretty much acts like a slippery Oil but its not acidy like Citrus.
You can do both Lecithin and citrus with if you want. I don't go by an exact amount. You can vary your amounts of ingredients and still get results. Basically you will find out what works for you.
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- Re: Lecithin instead of Citrus!?! tierra
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This is a reply to # 1,417,019I'm totally confused.... Why do you compare lecithin with citrus? If the lecithin is acting as a coagulant (typical thickener in many processed food), then it has nothing to do with the role of citrus in the LF?
I suppose you do find a difference in your Coffee-Enema routine when you add lecithin??? Have you tried garlic or ginger?
I also tried ES and oil prior to Coffee-Enema and get some stones w/o citrus at all.
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This is a reply to # 1,417,195Sorry I misunderstood, I thought that you were comparing Lecithin with Citrus :)
Actually Lecithin works to emulsify fat, it's good to help clear out the Arteries. I've never heard of anyone using it as a thickener in food.
Sometimes I use a little Lecithin in the Oil in my cast-iron fry pan for the natural non-stick affect.
I haven't tried garlic or ginger instead of Lecithin because it doesn't act the same.
Yes I have gotten out Stones after a Coffee-Enema by ingesting ES and Oil only. If your Liver is feeling congested and ready to expel Stones it doesn't seem to take much to expel them with the CE!
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Sorry I misunderstood, I thought that you were comparing Lecithin with Citrus :)
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Nope. Quite the opposite. As far as Liver-Flush goes, they're totally un-related. I was confused because you mentioned lecithin is not acidic like citrus. Anyways, glad we sort it out.
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Actually Lecithin works to emulsify fat, it's good to help clear out the Arteries. I've never heard of anyone using it as a thickener in food.
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I was thinking about making salad dressing, thickening it by emulsifying oil and citrus. The two processes often go hand and hand. Yes...Yes... Emulsification would be the correct term. Stand Corrected. :)
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Sometimes I use a little Lecithin in the Oil in my cast-iron fry pan for the natural non-stick affect.
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This is getting interesting... Emulsifying/Combining and Repelling/Non-Sticking sound opposite to me. I suppose it's slippery on it owns, but when mix with other food it emusifies...so as you cook it emulsifies the food to the pan (lol...Just teasing!)... Okay... Gotto try that out... Food Science is fun...
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I haven't tried garlic or ginger instead of Lecithin
because it doesn't act the same.
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No, if the primary purpose of Lecithin is emulsification, then they're not the same... I didn't think you were going after that though since you don't use citrus and since you mentioned that lecithin is slippery, I thought you're going after it's cholagoguing effect, just like what ginger and garlic do indirectly to your system even though they're not "slippery" on their own in their original form. Give them a shot, you might be surprise! :)
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This is a reply to # 1,414,470Tierra,
We have a lot of information (negative) on soy, that Dr. Schulze & Dr. Christopher never had. Before you ingest soy on a regular basis (ESPECIALLY unfermented soy), please make SURE and read this: http://www.thedoctorwithin.com/soy/Magic-Bean.php
Under NO circumstances (NONE!) should one EVER ingest Genetically-Modified soy...and if it's not certified organic it genetically mutated. :( :( :(
Soy Lecithin, indeed, is beneficial to the liver...but there are many healthier ways to get it. Dr. Christopher recommended wheat germ oil daily on his IP & the Mucusless diet (it is extremely high in Lecithin and Vitamin E). I think I remember you asking something about oils on the IP...and that was one of the post I was going to answer but 'lost sight of' when I accidentally moved all my "inbox" to "trash".
You can get high quality wheat germ oil at Mountain Rose
Blessings,
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This is a reply to # 1,415,259For those who eat eggs, isn't lecithin in egg yolks? Just prepared them with the whites cooked and the yolks runny. I really do notice a difference myself in that I find myself craving eggs this way.
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Okay that's gross. Supporting Monsanto is enough to make me quit ingesting what are probably Genetically-Modified-Organisms Lecithin Granules besides all the other poison added.
Blehgh.
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This is a reply to # 1,415,692...absolutely NO to gm soy. And I think there are many healthier ways to cleanse the liver and get lecithin! My favorite source of lecithin is sunflower sprouts (yes, a true PITA :::pain in the arse::: 'picking the hulls off the sprouts). But oh "the yum" of the nutty taste of sunflower sprouts :)
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This is a reply to # 1,415,259Don't worry... I never take anything Genetically-Modified-Organisms including soy, corn and canola oil...
The soy I eat...
- steammed organic edamame (soy bean/pod, few times a yr?)
- organic sprouted tofu (once a month)
- soy sauce (few times a week)
I did at one point consume wheat germs flakes and flax seeds on a daily basis for ~1yr or so. But, then my ND told me that wheat is evil, and had stopped since then...
p.s. the recommended daily oil intake post is here when you have a chance...
//www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1412872#i
-thx, tie.
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I hear you steve....experimentation, tweaking, accident.... Esp. I'm at the early stage of LFlushing, my body fluxes so much.... Things never go according to plan....
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as a laxative, 1-2 teaspoons in a half a cup of water. Repeat if necessary in 4 hours . Limit of 2 doses per day.
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Yeah.... HC's Liver-Flush calls for 4Tbsp (2 before and 2 after) in less than 24hrs. That's three times the recommended dosage. I'm not too comfortable doing that on a weekly basis. BTW, how often do you flush?
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This is a reply to # 1,414,475I was just pointing that out relative to mainstream conventional recommendation. You DO want to make sure you get a laxative effect, so less than protocol recommedation can still work.
I flush every 2-3 weeks (standard frequency). 2 full evening doses.
Water, saltwater in the morning and MAYBE an after ES dose.
My off weeks with a coffee enema is just 1 tablespoon prior. I always drink a lot of water when doing Liver-Flush or CE. So any salt, epsom or otherwise, will flush out.
(Have no clue how various doses would effect bile ducts ... and there are things I believe Clark has no clue about either - she just states it with conviction, but still, she is my primary (modified) method of choice)- Re: Liver Flush: Why 2 separate dose... mo123
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This is a reply to # 1,415,769CE = Coffee Enema
Some put ES into the coffee mix. I don't like that idea.
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Dr. Kelley had everyone put ES in their coffee enemas (same reason as we use it in a liver flush). I did it for years - it makes the solution easier to retain and relaxes the biliary network. I added one tablespoon per 4 cups of solution.
It is very effective, but I don't recommend it for anyone that has ANY kidney issues (or adrenal issues. stress the kidneys and you also stress the adrenals).
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This is a reply to # 1,416,076I have no rentention problems.
I take the ES as with the Liver Flush to give it time to work.
In my logic, that's the same as taking the ES WITH the oil/juice mix. No time to work.
Seriously, if anyone wants to argue the logic of it, please do so.- ES helps to retain large CE? tierra
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This is a reply to # 1,416,193I do 2 cup at a time only. So, there's no retaining problem for me either. I tried 4 cup once, got a caffeine buzz afterwards, never again.... I'm not sure if there's any benefit beyond 4 cup if the goal is to hit the hepatic portal veins located at the sigmoid colon....??? -tie
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