Adrenals may be the root im not sure 
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MoreIm still unsure of whether dysbiosis/ parasites happens because of adrenal fatigue or if it happens first.
But all i know is that ive pissed 7 years of my life away with silly candida diets, anti-fungals, everything ozone, Colloidal Silver all the usual and get very little to anywhere.
But in the last week have been megadosing adaptagens and circulation is better, skins better, moods not as suicidal, body pain is down, energy better, digestion better, im getting to overcome the heart problems, hairs growing back on my face.
I reckon it is an emotional cause that starts this and then is prolonged by more stress. Very little get these type of chronic problems we do and my main thinking is they dont because well their happy.
None of us are happy, live a crap life spending most of it on message boards talking about our latest bowel movment etc, thats not a dig to anyone but ive spent 7 years doing that.
Ive been reading physical illness has a major emotional core.
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- Re: Adrenals may be the root im not ... #104601
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This is a reply to # 1,361,312Seems my physical health went to shit after I began having a nervous breakdown.
- Re: Adrenals may be the root im not ... jfh
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,361,312Could you tell us which adaptagens you've tried; especially which ones you are megadosing?
I believe you. It is impressive how good the health becomes when I address the adrenals and the liver.
- Re: Adrenals may be the root im not ... bodgy
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This is a reply to # 1,361,329Hey scarface,
You are right on about the adrenals, but this thing is multifaceted and has no easy cure. I am glad you are feeling better with the adaptogens. Maybe they are your "key". When I look back over the course of my nightmarish life, believe it or not, I was once the person that drives people crazy with optimism and hope. I ALWAYS saw the silver lining in every situation. I have only become this negative, pissed-off person since this thing has taken hold---seriously. I look at old pictures sometimes and think...who was that person?! Anyway, I just think I developed leaky gut at a very young age(like 2). My mom admits I had Antibiotics probably every day of my life from 6mos to 5 yrs old. I had the vaccinations, I was not breast-fed. I remember being way more tired than others my age. I did hit a stride from about 18-24yrs. Haved no ideas why??? I think maybe the leaky gut has developed in an area that may be more vital to health or something. I'm older now and I do know things don't repair like they once did AND the adrenals are less efficient with age. So maybe if you get those adrenals back in tip-top shape now, at your age, then you'll knock this thing out for good. As you say scarace---Good One!!:)- Re: Adrenals may be the root im not ... jfh
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This is a reply to # 1,361,425Gosh bodgy, you think you are pessimistic? I found out that they turned off the light at the end of tunnel due to the state of the economy. They don't plan to turn it back on any time soon. So currently, there is no light at the end of the tunnel.
- Re: Adrenals may be the root im not ... jfh
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- Re: Adrenals may be the root im not ... bodgy
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- Re: Adrenals may be the root im not ... CandidaInContext
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This is a reply to # 1,361,312check out this months issue of time magazine... lots of interesting stuff about mind and body
- Re: Adrenals may be the root im not ... megghill
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This is a reply to # 1,361,545Hi all. I feel that this discussion is good. I have tried EVERYTHING to get this under control (ozone, supplements, diet, "detoxing", amino acids, heavy metal elimination, skin brushing, massage, accupuncture, chiropractor, prayer, counseling, sleep, alkaline water, urine therapy, thyroid meds, herbs, yoga, etc. etc. etc. ) and my conclusion is I have to get my thoughts under control! I have OCD and am always worried and stressing about everything. I spend hours a day researching health stuff and it freaks me out because many times it's the worse case senario and then you think that you will end-up like the person you are reading about who never got well or who has been "cleansing" for 15 years. I understand this is a symptom of weak adrenals (stressing out easily), which I have...I have been in an Addison like state several times over the years and the doc had me on hydrocortisone shots which I stopped due to side effects and I don't like the thought of taking steroids, even in small doses. They also didn't make me feel better. I have noticed relief from adaptogen herbs (SUMA) from Natures Sunshine was the best. What has helped me the best is diet of lean meat, steamed veggies only. Raw made my symptoms much worse for ibs and nut butters and avocados too hard on the digestion.
Anyways, I just went off on a tangent here but my point is that the more time I spend researching and on curezone the more freaked out I get and my uncle even said I have the "spirit of hypochondria" resting on me. He and others know I am sick but I am making it far more worse by stressing out over every little ache and pain in my body. If my eyelid twitches...I go to the computer and type in "eyelid twitching + causes" in google! I am a problem solver and I am just trying to get to the "root" of this but all of the research and analyzing is causing me too much stress and then guess what? MY ADRENALS GET WEAKER! The adrenals do not know the difference between physical and mental stress...stress is stress!!! The days when I write or paint or go watch a good positive movie are more healing.
Anyways, my point is that if I never stop stressing, my adrenals will never heal and that means my candida will never heal. I'm not saying I haven't gotten a ton of great and useful info. on here because I have and am so grateful to all of you on here for your advice, love, and support I am just saying to limit your time on here and spend your time doing something that brings you joy and peace. I know it's hard to feel joy and peace when you are chronically ill because everything feels like a drag or a chore and sometimes it takes so much effort to get to the computer but even listening to a CD of healing music or positive affirmations or anything that takes your mind off of the illness will get you closer to healing don't you think? The find myself weak in the spirit most times due to a lack of energy and then giving into the illness...feeding into it...claiming it has power over me! I can't go on like this anymore and I am too depressed to heal myself or pull myself out of this, which is why I go get prayer from others, but I have resisted going on any meds for my ocd and Depression for a long time because I have been trusting God will heal me, which I believe he is everyday and I have gradually seen some progress but it's not healthy for me to live like this anymore. I am going to get on some anti-depressants so I can get out of my head and stop thinking these horrible dark thoughts which in turn will help me chill out and let me adrenals get the rest they need in order to heal! Thoughts?
Meg
- Re: Adrenals may be the root im not ... dragonfly7
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This is a reply to # 1,361,604Hi Meg,
I just stumbled across this thread and, this may sound weird, but I feel a little better knowing I'm not the only one who's been through all of this. But I was wondering, have you tried working on the OCD? I had serious OCD for about 5 years and it was getting to the point where I felt like I was exploding inside if I saw my boyfriend put a spoon in the drying rack the wrong way. I was scared to let him see how bad I'd gotten so I saw a therapist. She was really helpful.
This is what she had me do: I sat down with my boyfriend, brother, and parents and told them what was happening. I explained to them that this was causing so much stress in my life that I couldn't stand it anymore. Than I asked if they would help me get over it. They all agreed so I made sure they each had a key to my house and they would go to my house when I wasn't home and move things around. Not a lot at first. Just little things like moving the clothes around a little bit in the closet or rearranging a shelf. I would come home and, of course, immediately I knew someone had been there and it would only take me seconds to see what had changed.
At first I moved things back, recreated the patterns that made me feel so comfortable, but I had to stop, take a deep breath, and resist it because I knew it would help in the end if I let things change. This went on for a few months and eventually I got to the point where I could put things away like a normal person. I still wanted to stack the plates so they were color coordinated but I didn't. This process took several months but I'm completely cured. It's been about two years now and those things don't even cross my mind anymore.
Now, obviously this didn't cure all of my problems or I wouldn't be on curezone. But what it did do was dramatically decrease that rage that pulsed through my body so often. And the stressing I did over not locking doors and turning off lights. That kind of stress is so hard on your body. I found that, even though I'm still suffering through health problems, at least I don't have the rage and confusion anymore from OCD.
Just some thoughts. Hope it helps!
- Re: Adrenals may be the root im not ... megghill
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This is a reply to # 1,361,810Thanks Dragonfly!
I actually went to an anxiety/ocd treatment clinic last year for a month and did exposure therapy and have seen therapists for it too. The exposure therapy does help reduce it by 50% or so if you make sure not to give in to the urge to move something or arrange something, etc. Once I start it's hard for me to stop. The hard thing is to rest with the anxiety and resist giving in. I know it is caused by something physical because it started after I have Epstein Barr Virus and gets worse when I am sick or under stress or before my period. I was seeing a psychiatrist for it a while back and he put me on zoloft and it totally brought me out of my head and was a lifesaver for me. I honestly would not have been able to work or finish college without it. The mental OCD has been bad for me these days. I have weird dark thoughts. I am also much sicker now than when I was on the zoloft so I am not sure if it will have the same effect. I have been trying to address my physical problems hoping the OCD will go away and have spent thousands of dollars on doctors to treat my thyroid, adrenals, candida, and parasites and nothing makes the OCD go away permenently. I don't know what to do at this point but it is hard enough living with physical illness...the mental illness on top of that is just too much.- Re: Adrenals may be the root im not ... Ladywear
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This is a reply to # 1,361,961Thats so interesting megghill what you said about the OCD kicking in after your bout of Epinstein Barr virus. I got to thinking back and that is exactly when mine set in too. I can definately relate to it getting worse after periods of stress and around period times. I was also put on Lustral/Zoloft years ago but it actually made my OCD worse unlike yours. I wondered if OCD was related to the liver (my obsession again! lol) because stress affects the liver and also around period times the liver is dealing with hormones. The fact the Lustral/Zofloft made me worse could again be because of the negative effect the drug had on my liver. I have noticed that when I do any candida cleansing again my OCD increases which leads me to my liver once again. I think though at times I do just have an obsessive personality but then again I was never like that before the EBV. I suppose we can go round in circles wondering what causes what etc but it doesnt get us very far only stress our adrenals further (which was an excellent point you made). I enjoyed your initial post by the way and it made alot of sense. I only wish I felt a bit better to actually concentrate on doing nice enjoyable things rather than worrying (and obsessing!)over my health!
- Re: Adrenals may be the root im not ... megghill
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This is a reply to # 1,361,972Hi Ladywear. I believe that OCD is caused by a weak or taxed central nervous system. parasites effect the nervous system, infections do too, as well as adrenal fatigue, stress, etc. I think for me it's the stress that the EBV had on my body for that year but after posting that I was thinking back and I had an ocd episode while I was going through puberty so perhaps it's hormone related like you suggested. I have gone over this in my mind on a daily basis looking for the "root" cause and I concluded that with all of the issues I have with my health, I will never "really" know what came first, the chicken or the egg. I am still trying to figure out if my low thyroid and adrenals caused my candida and parasites or if the candida and parasites caused the hormonal imbalances. I have one doctor that thinks its the thyroid and adrenals so he is treating those but then I have a nutritionist/chiropractor who specializes in digestion that thinks the digestion is the "root" of all disease and seretonin is even produced in the gut. I do know that I feel better mentally when I have less candida and parasites but I also feel better mentally when I am under less stress, like when I am in love. After my ocd was under control from the zoloft, enjoying my life and being in love, it got much worse after a painful break-up, grandmothers death, stressful job, and car was stollen...this was in 07' and I haven't seemed to bounch back since. BUT there were also times while I was in my relationship and was happy that I had some bouts of depression, felt ill, or had ocd and it was usually after I ate a lot of Sugar or gluten so WHO KNOWS? I have decided to stop stressing on the "root" cause and just accept this and do all I can do to incorporate some positive things into my life and stress less. Last night I fell asleep listening to worship music and praying. I also watched a good tv program. Getting out of my head some way, any way seemes to help. I know I have candida and parasites and that I have ocd and I know all I need to know about ways to treat it and am doing all of them or have tried them all. My digestion is much much better as well as my Acne and edema. My hair is no longer falling out and my skin is less dry. I no longer bruise easily...things are getting better but I have a ways to go and the ocd seems to not be going anywhere.
- Re: Adrenals may be the root im not ... Ladywear
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- Re: Adrenals may be the root im not ... #91249
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This is a reply to # 1,362,383Ok breaking things down its the whole combo of my therapy that seems to be doing it.
Astragalus has bring me from near sleeping to abit of energy again.
I just went for a wee run, still having breathing problems and heart palpatations either from buggered lungs(got chest xray this week), esphogeus problems or my posture.
But i mean this is from someone who hasnt done any exercise in a year and could barely walk.
Going to add PABA and vitamin B5 soon.
- Re: Adrenals may be the root im not ... Ladywear
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This is a reply to # 1,362,389Do you tolerate all those supplements ok? I wish I could tolerate something that would help. I think the intolerance is linked to the leaky gut...I dont know but its a real problem when there are so many things that seem to help other people and I cant tolerate them. Do you have food intolerances or are you ok with most foods?
- Re: Adrenals may be the root im not ... #91249
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This is a reply to # 1,362,424Yeah im fine with them lady.
Have you tried any of the adaptagens ive stated their pretty side effect free and low toxicity being adaptagens.
I do have food intolerances mainly gluten because of adrenal fatigue.
- Re: Adrenals may be the root im not ... Ladywear
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This is a reply to # 1,362,427Yes scarface I did try a few and a very low dose. I just seem to react to all of them. I was really disappointed about not tolerating the St Johns Wort because that would have helped with the depression/anxiety probs. Anyhow when I say "react" it sort of feels more like a herx. reaction. I am thinking that maybe I can tolerate the supplements but when they start to do what they are supposed to do i.e. strengthen my glands etc I then get a die-off from the immune boost. I think this could be possible and could be worth perserveing with (except my liver struggles to cope with die-off/herx).
Very pleased to hear you managed to go out running. Its such a major improvement for you. I told you things would improve...remember when you were suicidial and now look! I have started to manage car trips out which I couldnt do before (my mum driving - not me) - its not much but a start.
- Re: Adrenals may be the root im not ... Ladywear
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- Re: Adrenals may be the root im not ... Ladywear
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- Re: Adrenals may be the root im not ... #91249
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- Re: Adrenals may be the root im not ... Ladywear
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- Re: Adrenals may be the root im not ... megghill
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- Re: Adrenals may be the root im not ... dragonfly7
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This is a reply to # 1,361,961That's interesting that it started from an illness. I wonder if that's common. Mine started during a 3 year battle with ehrlichiosis and continued for another couple of years after I'd been treated.
I found that practicing yoga, chi gung, meditating, etc. really helped me deal with the OCD. Have you heard of Total Body Modification or Environmental Stress Management? If there's a practitioner in your area I highly recommend you check it out.
Good luck!- Re: Adrenals may be the root im not ... megghill
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This is a reply to # 1,362,004Thanks Dragon Fly! I have never handled stress very well and mine was better while I was doing yoga too. Yoga is very good for all of your organs as well as mind.
- Re: Adrenals may be the root im not ... megghill
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- Re: Adrenals may be the root im not ... Ladywear
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- Re: Adrenals may be the root im not ... Ruffneck
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This is a reply to # 1,361,312scar i had a wacky idea the other day in regards to liver detox.
donate blood.
if many of the symptoms are due to what the chinese call 'dirty blood' then why not remove 1/8th of the bodies supply of blood? the new blood created would surely be cleaner than the old stuff taken out.the reduction in toxins circulated may give the liver the boost it needs to step back into equilibrium.
well i would give it a go if i could , i can't donate blood here.people who lived in UK in the 80s/90s cannot donate blood in australia due to mad cow disease fears.- Re: Adrenals may be the root im not ... Ladywear
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This is a reply to # 1,361,719Good point ruffneck. Women get the pleasure of this detox every month!
- Re: Adrenals may be the root im not ... Ruffneck
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This is a reply to # 1,361,729good point lady although i still think it's an interesting theory myself
- Re: Adrenals may be the root im not ... Ladywear
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This is a reply to # 1,361,738Sorry I think you misunderstood - I was agreeing with you. The monthly cleanse of blood releases loads of toxins and generally women feel better afterwards. Its a great opportunity to get rid of toxins!
- regime #91249
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This is a reply to # 1,361,751Ok hey all again this wasnt to say to everyone your all cooky and this is all in your head as it isnt and this is what ive been told constantly, my doc laughed again at the mention of adrenals but then couldnt explain why these herbs were helping silly twat anyway here is my regime:
Morning : a cup of jiaogulan tea or 1 pill
Breakfast - Take my Ashwagandha tincture before it.
Now just started st johns wort to restore the nervous system(but only today started).
1 dose astragalus before lunch
Celtic Sea Salt 1/3-1/2 a teaspoon in water(important)
Lunch - Another dose of Ashwagandha tincture before eating.
An hour and a half - 2 hours later take my 2nd cap jiaogulan.
Tea - Ashwagandha tincture last dose
The wind down for the night and take my last dose of jiaogulan
Like i say all the benefits etc in my first post, but i have went from nearly killing myself on my birthday(14th of feb weekender) to from monday till now feeling like a diff guy, less depression, hope that life actually does go on. Im not longer as panicky due to the Ashwagandha, the salt has regulated my constant palpatations abit and im still chronically fatigued abit but ive done a little boxing for teh first time in a year and 2 months:). But i mean im running a business from 8am - 1am at night constantly all day so not bad:).
I still dont know the a massive part is dybiosis/ parasites raping the adrenals or digestive system failure but the mind and adrenals control these functions anyway. My digestion is better since my regime.
Ill be back with any updates good or bad.
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