you have a good idea. but I'm not convinced its a REALLY accurate test? reason I said this is we need more chemical info. For example: if we mix red dye with a bowl of sugar, all the Sugar turns red. But if we mix red dye with bleach, yes the bleach turns red, but the poisonous chlorine gas that will emit if one were to next add ammonia to this brew will not be red. So...I'm concluding your dye idea is a possibly good test, but may or may not be accurate to answer our question!

I am wondering if there is some chemical reaction happening between the olive oil and the emsom salts along with bile and other liver chemicals, one that maybe goes way beyond simple staining with colors of components. I'm thinking of some chemical reaction that causes solids to precipitate out of the liquid.

I have an experiment I thought up. I have chickens. Some of the older laying hens eventually get butchered for broth making. One of them could be given a blk walnut tincture worming, then later, after she is no longer passing parasites in her manure, give her a liver cleanse using the same ingredients as we would take, but in smaller quantities based on her size/weight versus us people. Keep her in quarantine so we can watch what happens. The reason I think this may be a good way to know is that in years and years and years of butchering various farm animals I've never seen one single stone of any size or color or kind in livers or gall bladders of farm animals.

Of course I'm not questioning that SOME people do have such stones, I'm wanting more evidence that the high, high quantity of stones being passed by people doing the Liver Cleanses are ones that were really there all along and not new ones chemically precipitated out by the injested ingredients. I'm guessing that if my chicken passes zero stones, and then later she is butchered and her liver also can be examined along with her gall duct...and if no stones are evident...then that seems pretty convincing to me that the cleansing ingredients have nothing to do with it. But if she does pass stones, I'm going to personally think it is caused by the cleansing ingredients. Again, because she'll be a first ever chicken in my own experience to have such things.

The problem now is timing and when I'll be able to do this experiment. Cold season is about upon us and I wouldn't make a faithful hen stay alone in an outside cage until nice Spring/summer weather arrives.

Hi, Mikey.

Let me tell you why I’d like to try the color test. I certainly
don’t think rock-hard stones can’t be flushed out. The
evidence for that seems very good, as you say. I take it that no one is going to argue that a rock-hard stone got fabricated in the intestine in a single day.

So, just to be clear, my main interest is in the soft green things with the gooey emerald centers that often come out in such huge numbers when we flush. The color test should resolve the issue for these very definitively.

It’s true that these green things don’t always come out, and that sometimes just a few come out, but then the chemical contents of the
digestive system are highly variable in many different ways, and it may just be that the right proportions of digestive acid, bile, oil, or whatever might be involved, just aren’t conducive to forming the green things on every occasion.

The color test should resolve the issue. IF stones come out on a particular occasion, and IF they are colored straight through by the stain, this will strongly suggest that these green things are not gallstones. Conversely, if they aren’t stained inside, they almost have to be Gallstones of some kind, since they could not otherwise have escaped being stained all the way through.

If these green things pass the color test, I will shut up and drink my oil without another whisper of sedition. Please understand, though, that I’m NOT suggesting that flushing does no good. It’s just a question of the green softies. They represent a hurdle for a lot of people approaching this flushing scene, and if the hurdle can be eliminated
I think a lot of people will be relieved.

I should also say that I like this test because it doesn’t depend on hearsay. Each person can do the test him or herself and see the result.
I tend not to place a lot of credence in hearsay--especially when people have a lot invested in being right (and especially where my health is concerned!). In general, the Internet is very useful, but it’s best to take anything you read with one or two grains of salt. The fact that someone said X doesn’t make X true, or the fact that someone says their doctor said X, or that they have an aunt who told them she had a friend who said X. But seeing for yourself can’t be denied. That’s why I like this test. Each person can find out individually without hearsay and persuasion and negative feelings about doctors, etc., getting in the way.

Of course, if the green things turn out not to be gallstones, get ready for fireworks from people who have an irrational commitment to the little green things. Actually, I hope the things DO pass the color test so we can avoid the outrage and hysteria that will no doubt follow if they do not.

Time will tell. Thanks for the reply.

Hey folks!
Just had a comment:
I did my first Liver Flush last week and was a great success...passed about 30-40 green stones, some were as big as quarters, most were the size of nickles...
I only had a half a cup of olive oil and about a half a cup of lemon juice, ( no Epsom Salts )...
My point: If it is olive oil changing into stones, the ratio of oil to stones doesnt add up...my body cant make a bunch of stones without more oil...( I would have needed much more oil to make the volume of stones I passed).
So, my conclusion is the clease worked and it wasnt olive oil stones :)
Stepping of my soapbox,
Peace,
...HappyHippie