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Hello,
The subject says it all. I honestly believe there is no cure for systemic candida once you have it for few years. You can greatly improve your health, you can control it with the died, the supplements and the probiotics, but you will never ever get rid of it. It's a lifelong battle you cannot win. That's it.
What's the point of this post? Well, i don't now, i just felt like writing it. I'll share with you my experience.
I got it for nine years now so it's been a while. Nine years people and it's not going anywhere.
The modern medicine seems to be helpless. Not only the candida infection is most often not recognized, but even when it is the treatment possibilities are limited to very few drugs like: fluconazole, itraconazole, nystatin or terbinafine.
I was taking fluconazole, 200-400mg a day - a high dose. It worked fine for few days, but after a week i did not feel any difference after taking the drug.
I also tried the terbinafine, the infamous lamisil 250mg a day.
I felt great for a week, and then it just stopped to work. I tried the double dose, 500mg a day but it didn't help. The drug wasn't working anymore. I won't even mention the nystatin because its a joke.
I don't know if its some kind of 100th monkey effect, but it doesn't take too much time to yeast to shrug off the antifungal drugs.
There are few very expensive drugs like voriconazole and caspofungin, but they are unaffordable for most people. Also its probably a waste of money since they would work for a week or so.
I believe that radical therapy with amphotericin b injected to the vein could work. But its also expensive and even worse, life threating. This is something i think i would like to do one day.
Of course i also tried the natural way, and the supplements like: grape seed extract, pau darco, oregano oil, cat's claw, Colloidal Silver , garlic, black nutt extract. All this stuff helped a bit but it never made me feel that its going to cure me. They are weaker then the antifungal drugs and candida resists it pretty quickly too.
I deeply regret there is no cure for this crap. I have only seen few posts around the internet in which that someone said he's cured.
Okay I'm about to finish this long and pointless message. Thank you for your attention if you were patient enough to wend through it and sorry for my English.
Best luck too you all
The candida guy
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,243,120Gosh that's a depressing thought isn't it? I hope that is not the case but I often wonder the same thing ( who doesn't? ). I'll tell you what has helped me tremdously ( and I agree antifungals do not work indefinately ) is adding the good bacteria back in the form of raw sauerkraut. I think I must have lost almost all of mine because I took so many Antibiotics over several years period. I have been slowly improving the last two years but i do get bad flares when I eat a lot of crap, and I am not totally well. I'll keep keeping on though as I have seen so much improvement!
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,243,250I eat the Rejuvenative brand. Oh my yes...do I ever have a leaky gut!! It's still very bad although as I get better it heals too. I wish I could do something else to help it along, but like most here I can't tolerate anything much ( supplements ). Thanks for the well wishes :-) How have you been? I'm a student now ( back at it at almost 40- ha ha ) which keeps me busy, and also still have one nine yr. old left to raise :-). And then trying to work at my health.
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This is a reply to # 1,243,222I eat sauerkraut from time to time, but i don't think it helps me - it may even make things worse if i eat it too much. Some sources say that you should avoid it on the candida diet.
I also was getting better for few last years, i could even break the diet and eat some white bread or white rice with very little side effects(of course i did that only once in a while, when i was away from home and i had eat something with normal people).
However few months ago i had a flu. The flu has weakened my immune system and that's where candida strikes back like it never did before. Finally after i started to take magnesium, selenium,zinc and chromium supplements all together I`m better, but its a Sisyphean challenge, never ending story.
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This is a reply to # 1,243,509I'm sorry to hear that :-(. You know, I have also gotten sick with several flus this past winter, and one stomach one just recently. I keep bouncing back though (praise God! ) Funny I am only beginning to get these 'normal' bugs passing around.
Yeah there is a lot of contradicting information but I just keep an open mind. I think it was Shelley who believed if you can rebalance the good bacterias they will fight for you. Trouble is I think I may never quite stay balanced ( I was so ill )but who knows. I will probably alwys have to keep working to make sure things are balanced.- Re: there is no cure stannarad
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This is a reply to # 1,243,658I forgot to add that I have done quite a lot of cleansing over the years. I started out having a lot of colonics and then working on my liver by flushing and suplemtns. However, I can't say the flushing was helpful for me and I think it made my gut much more inflamed ( toxins escaping )so I stopped those years ago. I didn't get better initially though from these things ( I'm sure I had to clean my poor bowels though...I was so backed up with dangerous toxins ).
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This is a reply to # 1,243,120i know this goes against mainstream but i think its a balance issue.
yeast is part of your immune system, you cant kill it off, you have to correct the balance...
i tradiionally find eating alot of oranges over a period of 4 days took away my chronic thrush infections and then add inulin to my diet kept them away....my gut isnt fully healed but I suffered from thrush repeatedly for almost 8 years and this method always seems to work. I've had one flair up in a year.
i also tried fasting on vivonex and then taking inulin once and had the same effect.
i tried all the candida protocols and they never worked.- Re: there is no cure macmac
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This is a reply to # 1,243,280Yest is not part of the immune system. It's considered as sporophyte, so it doesn't do any harm but doesn't help at all.
It lives in the gastrointestinal tract, if everything is fine it stays there, if the balance breaks, it gets out of there and grows through the entire body. It's not the same yeast anymore. The thing is you can't just restore the balance, since the healthy bacteria that keeps it in line inside of the colon doesn't live in bloodstream, skin and other organs that may be infected by candida.
I also suffer from a chronic oral thrush or oral candidiasis(i don't know if that's the same) for about 8 years, and i don't see how the oranges could help me. They don't seem to have any antifungal properties. Oranges contain fructose, so i don't think eating a lot of them could help. I hardly ever eat any but they seem to feed the yeast in my case.- Re: there is no cure stannarad
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This is a reply to # 1,243,519Ah yes. But if you rebalance the intestine, doesn't the candida in other organs go away? I've pondered the whole systemic candida thing over the years but I'm still not sure what t o think. I don't know if it's just the posions causing pain and illness or the candida is actually buried within the muscles and tissues. I used to be in terrible pain ( muscles all over ) but it keeps ever so slowly disappearing. I only have a few areas that are affected now unless I eat really badly over several days and even then I don't ge NEARLY as bad as i used to.- Re: there is no cure macmac
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This is a reply to # 1,243,660Well, ideally strong immune system won't let the candida grow back once its killed by antifungal. But this doesn't seem to happen. The thing is there is always something left, and it only waits for the opportunity to grow back. I think to improve and to be cured are to different things.
like i said i think that maybe some radical therapy would kill all candida outside the gastrointestinal tract.
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This is a reply to # 1,243,120yes , there is no cure
if you consider candida to be your only issue
you must treat your whole body and not just the candida
it is very likely the candida is caused by an imbalance in your body that must be corrected first- Re: there is no cure macmac
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This is a reply to # 1,243,852The candida protocol IS treating the whole body. You must follow very healthy Diet etc. I don't think imbalance is the right word. Every kind of disease is some kind of imbalance. So called balance is when there is no candida inside of human body except for the colon. If there is, its called infection. The problem is that the immune system won't be ever able to get rid of this infection by itself without any antifungal drugs or supplements, and most likely even with them.
You can clearly see over the internet that most people once they have this problem never get cured...
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This is a reply to # 1,243,868You need to shift your way of thinking. Ruffneck had it right, Candida is not the enemy. Everyone in the world has Candida, the problem is you're overfeeding yours. There are many possible reasons for this, sometimes you just have to go through the laundry list to find out your particular reason. It's not the same for everyone but I see many common reasons.
>> The problem is that the immune system won't be ever able to get rid of this infection by itself without any antifungal drugs or supplements
Using antifungals is the way to continue to have Candida forever.
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This is a reply to # 1,243,120Candida can definitely be beaten. Just because you didn't find the answer doesn't mean there isn't one. I beat Candida and I know several people who have also.
Yes, if you're battling Candida with anti-fungals, probiotics, and supplements, you'll never beat it, not in a million years. This was my strategy for 9 years until I was forced to do something else. Sure, you can somewhat control it, but you are never truly healthy and chances are your health decreases every year like mine did.
>>The modern medicine seems to be helpless.
Most doctors are close minded idiots, I guess we agree on one thing.
>>I felt great for a week, and then it just stopped to work.
I'm guessing your diet is complete shit. If you don't follow some kind of diet to at least remove the foods that are causing Candida, no antifungal in the world can help you.
>>I believe that radical therapy with amphotericin b injected to the vein could work.
Brilliant. Drugs injected into the vein. Why would you ever think injecting some chemical into your blood would help with your health???
DRUGS DONT WORK. They are terrible for your long term health.
>>This is something i think i would like to do one day.
Please, tell us how it goes if you're able.
>>grape seed extract, pau darco, oregano oil, cat's claw, Colloidal Silver , garlic,
>>black nutt extract.
It's good enough to work for some people, but like I said, if the antifungal drugs only work a week for you, your diet is shit. Some of these are anti-fungals as well and they are not even as strong (most didn't work for me), so how could you expect them to work? The "OIL OF OREGANO" (not oregano oil, oil of O is expensive) is taken in conjunction with a good diet has helped many.
Here are some stories.
//www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1148722#i
I can think of at least 3 ways to cure Candida, off the top of my head. All involve diet of a sort. Keep searching and don't give up. Biggest problem I see is that people give up too easily or get detox reactions and freak out. Yes, that's your body healing. Instead of continuing they quit. People quit if they don't feel anything and they quit if they feel a healing (detox) reaction. Bottom line is quitters will never get anywhere.
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,245,174>I'm guessing your diet is complete shit
No, my diet is not shit. I follow the candida diet very strictly for years, it makes most candida symptoms disapear, still - i have candida.
>Using antifungals is the way to continue to have Candida forever.
Too bad not using them isn't the way to get rid of it.
>Candida is not the enemy. Everyone in the world has Candida, the problem is you're overfeeding yours.
Like i said, only in the colon, other than that it is the enemy. I'm not overfeeding it, but you seem to know better what do i do. Perhaps you have never actually had a systemic candida, unfortunealty i do.
You talk very vaguely, that there is some mysterious reason, the balance must be restored, something affected my karma... well i wish i could find that reason but i know only one, candida had an oportuinty to grow through my body once, when my immune system was weak.
Anyway these aren't facts. The fact is that its very difficulit to cure it, using the modern medicine or the natural therapy. Most people have it for years, most never get cured. Personally i believe the facts rather then the myths.- Re: there is no cure ladywear
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This is a reply to # 1,245,268VX - how have you helped your candida? What has helped you? thanks
I do know of others on here that have achieved good health. I dont know about "cured". I think although they have regained their health if they went back to eating bad foods, possibly going through alot of stress then the immune system weakens and maybe they will be prone to candida again. My friend who was very ill with candida - she regained her health doing various things - she lives a busy active life but she knows that if she eats bad food or gets stressed for long enough she will get some of her symptoms back. I dont know maybe we will always be prone to candida if we do the wrong things? I would be happy to just regain some health....cured is a big word when you are this sick. I live in hope but I wont loose it.- Re: there is no cure vx
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This is a reply to # 1,245,281Yes, I'd say I'm cured, it's been 9 months with no symptoms and I've never been like this for the past 13 years before it. If I ate differently, I'm fairly sure I'd revert back, but I eat fairly well right now, I don't feel like I have low energy or anything.
I don't take any antifungals anymore, no probiotics, no drugs, no supplements besides a liver tonic (like Charlies) and I take a parasite cleanse twice a week.
I follow Dr Sutters health plan.
http://www.docsutter.com/
I fast with water when I can. I broke the Candida cycle with 6 months being on a fruitarian diet. I'm rebuilding using a primal diet from Aajonus Vonderplanitz "We Want to Live" and it's worked great so far and it will be my long term health plan. I liver flush.
http://www.wewant2live.com/
I try to follow people who have already beaten disease before, like Dr Sutter (liver cancer), Barefoot, Bragg (Tuberculosis), Vonderplanitz (7 incurable disease including terminal multiple myeloma cancer) are the main ones. So far, it's worked out. Sometimes change is initially painful and I have to make adjustments, but with natural healing you need patience.
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This is a reply to # 1,245,268i dont think vx had very bad candida as her only real sypton was rectal bleeding and colitis i think its wrong that he/she thinks that their proctocol will work for everyone ive only just found out i dont have candida i tried lots of thing svx said like eating raw fruit and raw veg and it just made my intestines more sore and irriated i have 2 bacterial overgrowths 2 parastites and a fungus but its not candida i would say trust your instinct and dont listen to people who talk down to you ive noticed that alot with vx
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This is a reply to # 1,245,287Hi Natalie. Do you know what bacteria overgrowth you have? I think I must surely have bacterial overgrowth as well - I get bacterial infections. Its all such a pain. I am riddled with candida and bacteria but they dont tell me what type of bacteria - just "anerobic" they keep saying. I dont take Antibiotics because that will make the candida worse.
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This is a reply to # 1,245,371i think one of them is campylobobac pylori same as h pylori i wont take antibitics netheir im sure thats why i have these probs now paratites and bacteria honestly i will never go down that road its wrecking with my digestion and it hurts on my lower right intestines irrates sumtimes after bowel movements
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This is a reply to # 1,245,287I remember when you were upset with someone when they said you didn't have Candida, yet you do the same thing with me.
Unfortunately, I did have Candida. I had just about every symptom in the book at some point. EVERY ONE. I had a lot of the shit you had Natalie, food alergies, and not being able to digest nutrients from the foods I was eating. Depression, brain fog, liver damage, unknown infections, fibromyalgia like muscle fatigue needing total bed rest, liver pain, extreme fatigue and more. It sucked.
http://www.nutritionreview.org/library/candida_yeast_1.html
Yeah Natalie, that's "nothing".
I felt like my life was over. At times I wondered if I'd ever get over it, I wasn't sure I would to be honest, but I kept trying. I feel deeply for anyone that has it, that's why I waste my time here (even with negative people like you Natalie).
I only talk down to people who try to bring everyone down, "there is no cure", that's wrong. Is it hard? Yes. Do you have to try many thing? Yes. Is it impossible? No.
Natalie, it's plain you don't like me so do us both a favor and just don't respond to my posts anymore ok? I find you very negative and closeminded, you can't even follow the directions of a naturopath that has a proven track record in helping people beat Candida for more than a week or two. Maybe part of the problem is you.
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This is a reply to # 1,246,750i have none of your symtpons and yes you right i do not have candida and i find your rude and talk down to some people on here and trust me eating raw was the worst advice u can give sumone with weak digestion but u still do everyone is differnt u still dont realise that dont worry i wont reply to your posts but stop talking down to people and think what worked FOR YOU you will work for everyone because you are so wrong EVERYONE ID DIFFERNT!
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This is a reply to # 1,246,754Everyone is different. I say that in almost every post I make. Can you read? I guess not.
Also, (raw) fruits are the easiest thing for humans to digest, it's a medically proven fact. Vegetables are not, although that can change if you juice. Your leaky gut makes almost everything hard to digest, regardless of raw or not, just like mine did.
I find you rude, negative, and incredibly closeminded as well.
And thanks for not responding in the future.
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This is a reply to # 1,246,763grow up cant u read i dont have candida that means no leaky gut lol i have been tested for 6 differnt kinds of candida all tested negative i have h pylori and paratites and bacteria overgrowth im my lower intestines i find u rude
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This is a reply to # 1,246,770Do you know what's funny? I mentioned that parasites were a major cause of Candida MONTHS ago and you argued with me saying it wasn't true (VX JUST BECAUSE parasite CLEANSES WORKED FOR YOU DOESN"T MEAN IT WORKS FOR EVERYONE). Ha. I find it ironic that parasites are your issue.
For months you went on about your leaky gut. Btw, just because one "authority" says something, doesn't make it true.
And if you don't have Candida, why are you on this board talking about Candida like you're an authority??? Stop wasting everyone's time.
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This is a reply to # 1,246,788seriously grow up i have friends on here thats why apart from you i tried the anti fungals and diet didnt work never had die off only with parstite cleansing so i guess theirs your answer you sound like s polt child lol negativity and anger is very bad for you didnt u know that lol
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This is a reply to # 1,245,268Unfortunately I had systematic candida and I've had every candida symptom at one point in time. I was also diagnosed by a medical doctor with it, so yeah, I had it.
http://www.nutritionreview.org/library/candida_yeast_1.html
Systemic Problems
Systemic candida is a great imitator. It can mimic many diseases such as cystitis, Crohn's disease, gastritis, multiple sclerosis, endometriosis and various forms of mental illness. Candida may be part of the pathology in colitis, pancreatitis, hepatitis, cirrhosis, diabetes mellitus, malignancies, endocrinological pathologies, and autoimmune disorders.
And it was awful.
I was on the Candida diet for 9 years out of 12, didn't help. Sure, it kept me somewhat functional so I could work, but not much else. Kept feeling my health slowly fade away.
I'm sorry, but if an antifungal like nystatin couldn't help you, then something in your diet must have been wrong. Nystatin is more powerful than any antifungal in my experience. For 9 years I tried natural antifungals but I always went back to it. Obviously, if you control your Candida through diet alone, then you don't need antifungals, so that's good.
I'm not vague btw, after watching many people recover from Candida, it's clear to me that there are many different ways to beat it. My way may not be the way you do it. Besides, when you give the way to do something, most people will ignore it because it's much too easy, or they'll find a way to bail out as soon as the going gets tough anyway, so what's the point?
Anyway, good luck with it. Maybe you are down right now, but I can tell you it is possible to beat.
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This is a reply to # 1,246,757Hello!
I'm new on this form. Also have very bad candida all over my body. Very heavy pain in my neck.
So I started 5 days ago with diet (carbo), and I felt better for 3 days. But have big problems too. I have ulcerative colitis, and a lot of diarea.
I'm working a lot on my own Zapper. I'm elektro engineer, and I made much better Zapper, that you can get on the market. It is almost 200 X more powerfull, with very pure signal, and now with no side effects (before 1 month I get a lot of burns on my skin). I'm working on it for about 3 months all day.
The whole week I made test for candida with simple test of spittle in a glas of watter. The result was always abnormal. I see this efect of candida in first second - so terrible.
The day before yesterday I started my new program in Zapper for Candida killing. I go directly of frequencies that recommended Hulda Clark . I do 20 min * 3 for two days, and drink Collodial silver befor theraphy.
After two days in the morning I repeat this test for Candida, and there were no signs of it at all.
I have to mention, that I have a lot of side effects after second zapping. I was very tired, I throw up, ...
I know that this was to fast. And I can expect some bad fillings in next days.
But for now I feel much better then any day in last year. I get vary strange diarea durring the night, but in the morning, excreta was more in form, no blood, no gases.
I defenetly kill candida, i'm of shure. A lot to fast. But I will have to do a few zapping therapys to kill it to the end. I will report my health condition in 14 days.
If someone need more information about frequencies, amplitudes, sort of produced signal of the zapper - you can ask. I will help you.
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