Hi all,

Larry has so eloquently and expertly covered the rip-off that end-user healthcare has become in these posts on dentists and doctors...let me just add one more group of providers who rip you off and essentially do nothing.

Veternarians.

I have paid $40 (stuck inside a long, itemized bill where maybe I would not see it) for basic Antibiotics (i.e. which if bought at the pharmacy would have been $5-10). It's another vaccination rip-off. (Several studies have proven that one rabies vax, for instance, covers the life of the dog -- yet people go back faithfully every year to get "boosters" which in fact are of detriment to an animal's life, increasing, of course, their propensity for cancer and other autoimmune problems.) I could go on.

I'd gladly take my dogs or cat if they broke a limb, etc. -- but after a $2000+ bill to diagnose and treat diabetes in my dog (when the basic procedure is, take blood, evalutate blood sugar, establish insulin levels, take blood again, etc.) we no longer go to the vet.

(Call me if your dog needs Antibiotics and I'll put them in the mail.)

Laura

I went to the dentist a month or so ago because I was having cold sensitivity in a tooth he had worked on last October. He did x-rays and everything looked fine, but he said, "I can guarantee you will need a root canal." It was the end of the discussion and I am in the market for a new dentist. Yes, my tooth did turn out to be infected but he didn't know that at the time. And I am determined to save my tooth, not kill it.

One other thing I was thinking...doctors and dentists operate in parallel industries that should be integrated. When was the last time your doctor asked about your dental health? Mine (all of 'em) have never asked that question, despite what we know about the mouth and its relation to the rest of the body. Something tells me it's more profitable for these guys to stay far apart from one another...

you have hit the nail on the head. people cant afford the things they need. the whitecoats will become more and more bold in bullying people.

my daughter went in for her ortho check. she just started with braces last month. my son cast 2500 here. she will be at 4000. i looked at the sign-in sheet and said tot he receptionist, "been a light day, huh?" she said, "no, and we have more people coming in." this was at 3:30 in the afternoon, three people and the dentist was there and no one else. no one came in before we left after 4:00. i think i hit a nerve in there today. i fully expect to see a layoff in that office. the dentist lives just down the street with me. he has ten kids, the oldest a freshman at BYU. i think the man is gonna be in trouble. i think most people are gonna be in trouble.

i will never get a root canal. that is the best way to get sick that i know of.

From Dr. Nara...

Love that guy. His e-books are well worth the $20 by the way. He will validate everything you just posted, and in spades.....

Molly



http://mizar5.com/root.htm

These jerks. That's all they know is "root canal" and crown and x-rays, to cover 75% of their income. I had one dentist mention root canal as a remedy on a first visit also. I looked him in the eye and said that I'd have the thing extracted instead. He propsed the argument about saving the tooth and I told him I didn't care about that and that if I ever needed an extraction and he didn't want to do it, that I,m sure I could find someone who wood.

Quack dentists, which comprise about 85% of them, are on every street corner. Like the cancer doctors, their greatest money-making tactic is fear. That's because, like a tiger stalking it's prey, they can sense weakness in most of the chattel which pass their thresholds. Someone's got to pay for that new x-ray machine. I had one fe-male dentist refuse to even look in my mouth because I refused x-rays.

WTF do I need a GD x-ray for ? It's yet another f*ing scam.

Hi everyone,

Visit
http://www.saveyourteeth.com
and click on "Toxic Issues" and scroll down to the "root canals" section for a list of all of the bacteria and fungus/yeast living in root canal teeth. That list (for some reason I cannot cut and paste it here) and the other information will keep me away from Sugar -- lots of Candida appears as well as anaerobic bacteria. I am thinking that OP really, really does help prevent root canals.

From an article posted on that site about root canals:

Today, there are many reputable doctors (dentists, physicians, and PhDs) who are concerned about endodontic therapy and possbile systemic effects on other organs and tissues in the body. It may even astound most dentists that the organisms which may be present in dead teeth may be impossible to irradicate no matter how well the root canal procedure is performed! These organisms are not actually in the canal portion of the tooth, but in the tiny microscopic tubules which comprise the dentin (the material below the enamel which is more organic than enamel) of the tooth. Below are two opposing opinions about endodontic therapy. Dr. Shankland is offering these opinions for informational purposes and is not specifically offering his own opinion or opinions. Researchers on both sides of this heated issue agree that these organisms do stay alive after root canal procedures, but they can't agree whether this is important or not.


Dr. Weston Price's Research
Dr. Weston Price, the noted and honored dental researcher of the early part of this century, headed a team of America's finest scientific researchers, numbering 60 doctors. Their research was conducted under the auspices of the American Dental Association (ADA). From their 25 years of study, this research team published 25 scientific papers dealing with the effects of dead or endodontically treated teeth producing other diseases and disorders in remote areas of the body. The research was not only accepted by the scientific community, but served to form an important concept in medicine which is even taught today: the focal theory of infection. Anyone who has a prosthetic joint replacement or a mitral value prolapse will immediately understand this concept, as they cannot undergo any dental procedure without first being treated with certain Antibiotics to stop the spread of bacteria from the mouth to remote areas of the body which may produce a fatal infection.

Since the advent of Antibiotics , dentists and physicians have been taught that the focal theory of infection is erroneous and has no scientific basis. Further, they are taught that there is no modern evidence that endodontically treated teeth are the source of focal infections. However, again, recall that patients with joint replacements and certain heart conditions must take Antibiotics before and after any dental procedures. Why? Because the bacteria which live in the mouth enter the blood stream because of the dental procedures and travel to the heart and joints, thus possibily causing severe and often fatal diseases. Now, think about what you've just read: how can any dentist or physician claim that the focal theory of infection has no scientific validity when dentists are required to premedicate their patients to avoid producing a distant or focal infection?

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It's astonishing to me, too, because I remember at the start of my pregnancy my doctor said not to have any dental work done. (This, by the way, is the only time a doctor, to amend my earlier statement slightly, has ever referred to dental health!) (And, as if I have been to the dentise lately anyway!) This makes me realize they ARE aware of the possibility/probability of mouth bacteria entering the bloodstream as a result of dental work (my husband has some sort of mitral valve issue and we have a ton of antibiotics as a result because he does have to take them before wisdom-teeth extractions -- which I don't think are necessary either...).

Anyway, hope this is helpful reading around more mouth health issues. Sometimes I think we should change the title on the forum page to "Oil Pulling, Swishing, and Mouth Health" as I learn so much about my mouth from you all!

Laura

If you do ever opt for a root canal please use another dentist. :))

Hi, I'm new here. Actually I just registered to reply to this post because almost the exact same thing happened to me last week. I lost a filling, a pretty big one, in a wisdom tooth. I know, I know.....we're not supposed to have wisdom teeth! They think if we have wisdom teeth we might get wise to them? Well, especially with the help of your post, I HAVE become wise to them!

I put up with the endless "you'd better have them pulled because they're going to cause you trouble down the road" BS for so many years, to which I always said, “then we’ll just handle it down the road.” Then, after the age of 40, magically, they stopped telling me to get my wisdom teeth yanked. For almost 20 lovely years, the dentist would fill them without question if they had cavities. (Although, I so often wonder if they drill away too much tooth for minor cavities! Who knows! I can't oversee the work very well!)

This particular filling had a little ledge on it, and floss would catch on it. Finally one evening about a week ago, the floss pulled the filling out.

When I lost the filling, there was a good deal of sensitivity to air and anything cold. I called my regular dentist the very next day.

Same deal, the assistant tried to prime me with "oh, you'll need a root canal." I said, "let's just see what the dentist says."

Of course, he said about the same thing, putting on his fake sympathetic smile, "from the symptoms you're describing, it's a root canal or extraction."

I left the office pretty shaken up. X-rayed twice. Temporary filling in place, for which I think they wanted me to kiss their feet. Over $200 on my credit card. A referral to an oral surgeon with a warning to have it done SOON!

I called immediately when I got home to schedule my "surgery." Fortunately the surgeon couldn't see me for over a week. In the meantime, I saw an article on oil pulling on a link provided by a member of a coconut oil forum to which I belong. I tried OP with coconut oil for the first time yesterday. Wow! What a clean feeling.......and I felt relaxed, energetic, and in a terrific mood all day. I even thought the sensitivity in that tooth had subdued a little. I did it again today, and again I felt great all day with diminished sensitivity. Then I found this forum, and after much reading here I came to this thread, which convinced me to look for a new dentist!

I did. Miraculously, I have an appointment with a "holistic dentist" tomorrow afternoon. I told them the whole story on the phone, that I had lost a filling yet I wanted to try to preserve this tooth. And they said they'd try to help, never once using the terms "root canal" or "extraction"!

I then called to "postpone" the appointment with the surgeon. (They wouldn't take a cancellation. I had the feeling they were going to report me to my regular dentist! Or to the ADA! Or to God! Or maybe it would go on my PERMANENT RECORD!)

We shall see how the new dentist does. In the meantime, I picked up some oregano oil to add to the coconut for tomorrow’s OP. (Not sure why I spent the $20 on it, since I have a whole side yard full of oregano. Maybe I can figure out how to make oregano oil someday.) And I am in no pain and chewing on both sides.

I love my tooth. I want to keep it. :D Maybe I will get to!

Thanks to all who have left such informative and intelligent messages here! Thanks especially to Larry for this story! I feel very fortunate to have stumbled upon this great info at just the right time!

Susannah