The pharmaceuticals are a monster that needs to be controlled but it is too easy to blame them for every little problem that comes along.
Red Yeast Rice is also a 'natural' extract that has been used for thousands of years (just like oleander soup) and the pharmaceuticals took the ingredients of that - and got a patent on it. I have used it until recently when the FDA went after any Red Yeast Rice seller they could find and ordered them to stop selling it based on the fact it has the same ingredient as the patented stuff - which is making billions for the pharmas. (The FDA is currently lab testing all Red Yeast Rice, one seller at a time.) If oleander really works, the pharmaceuticals could do the same thing. (The soup is no different than the Red Yeast Rice. It is a processed natural product.)
I've read more than once that pharmaceuticals are looking at Third World countries - particularly the rain forests, for folk remedies tied to plants that they can exploit in the same way that they exploit Red Yeast Rice. If oleander had something to offer, then they would go for it and patent it. Nothing stopping them and the FDA will protect them at the same time.
Someone, not a pharmaceutical, has copyrighted the word Essiac, and it isn't even anyone associated with its discovery. As I search and look more and more I'm finding that herb companies are obviously being told to stop selling "Essiac" because of the copyright. It is becoming harder and harder to find Essiac so I keep the formula and buy the pieces.
I don't buy your argument. It is a paranoia conspiracy argument that has flooded the world since the introduction of the Internet.
Wow - what an unmitigated and uncalled for attack.
"OK, FYI - radiation and chemo have never cured anyone, period regardless of what you believe."
That was a lie when you posted it before, and it is a lie now.
"Cancer.org? What a crock! Just like you though - you goad and push about stats and success stories because none are readily apparent, then you fail to follow-up on suggestions on where to find them, and then, when I finally do include them to shut you up, you totally ignore them and come back with mainstream fecal matter to foul the forum with."
Show me one item on that web site that is not true.
"Disqualified by default! The same as your other mainstream and industry connected sources are disqualified every time you resort to them in the CUREZONE forum."
Boy do you ever have all the answers. I pointed to Essiac over and over again (in another thread), along with Pau d'arco and you never ever acknowledge their benefits in curing cancer but resort to some poison called oleander. You call Essiac and Pau d'arco mainstream?
"You may fool some people here - but how about you come over to my
Yahoo forum and try to peddle your trash to all of those who have used oleander
and been saved, or had the lives of a loved one saved? My forum includes
some pretty noted people and I am sure they would love to get piece of you.
So come on down, I DARE you!
Otherwise, get lost! Your tripe has no place in this forum. When all
is said and done, what you come up against is this:
Mainstream medicine has only one marketplace - our bodies, and the lords of
mainstream drugs and germ theory medicine has a long and evil track record of
lying, suppressing, persecuting, prosecuting and buying false studies to keep
any and all competition at bay and keep their evil drugs and barbaric treatment
methods approved."
The one who owns a Yahoo forum can slant it any way they wish. I learned that on the Hulda Clark Yahoo forum a long time ago. So great, you have created your own little cheering section. Have you published cancer survival statistics - those that can be independently verified? (Not like Hulda Clark's.) Thank god you don't own this forum.
"You can defend your precious chemo, radiation and surgery all you
want, but I assure you that someday mankind will look back on the practice of
trying to cut away, burn away and poison away the symptoms of cancer instead of
addressing the underlying causes, and in the process inflicting more harm than
benefit in a large percentage of cases, as the true dark ages of medicine.
That is what you are trying to defend, and this is not the place to do so. (You
might want to take a clue from the recently departed Dangerous Bacon- mainstream
apologists are not tolerated very well any more)."
I'm in no way "defending chemo or radiation, but to say that it has never cured cancer is one of your many lies that you post on curezone.
I'm a 15 year cancer survivor without medical intervention. I know the shock of being told that you have cancer, something that I understand of people who come to this particular form. It is a greater shock than even being shot at, and I've had that experience many times over. When someone whose very close relative with cancer states on this forum that their loved one is going to go for chemo and radiation (over which they have no control) and you make a statement like you did - you have no business posting on this forum. You have no idea what a lie that is and how it is just like kicking that person in the face - which is exactly what you did.
My, my, your ego is running overtime today.
Until we meet again.
Shalom
"You know nothing about my forum, and very little about me. If
you did and had even a minimum measure of decency you would not make such
accusations and misrepresentations.
How pathetic to see someone behave like you do. I refuse to encourage it
further."
Well, well, well. I point out a lie that you make and you call it semantics. Then you attack me and that I am behaving inappropriately? You are on an interesting path - and I don't mean the one where you think that it is your arena to take healing to the world - because the one where you are taking a load of hate and anger to them along with it.
For our differences we do have some common beliefs. In the same manner as you propose, I don't believe that anything heals an individual, the individual heals themselves, and I don't mean the body by itself. Chemo and radiation kill cancer along with other cells and after doing their job it is up to the individual to restore their health. The same is true of Essiac, Pau d'arco, antibiotics, oleander, and anything else that one uses to "heal" themselves. There are individuals who will continue to be ill regardless of what is administered to them and there are those who will go into remission without any treatment. We create illness in order to learn as spirit. Each and everything that we do is to learn as spirit, and go on from there. Again, you as spirit (not your mind) are the most powerful healing agent that your body has. All physical ills are caused by spiritual illness. Yes our Western Society has bought into a host of unfortunate things that we put into our bodies, but spirit approves of everything that we do.
I still believe that your treatment of someone seeking cancer advice was inhumane.
Shalom.
Well what I think we have here is someone trying to protect a very aggressive and spiteful individual. That's what has spewed out of his posts at me. Why don't you let him respond instead of trying to protect him? (Actually he has.)
As far as his not knowing about Essiac, I provided a link (twice if I remember right) to a woman - one Canadian Yoda - who posted on curezone her recovery from inoperable, terminal (6 months to live), stomach and liver cancer by using Essiac first which slowed or stopped it, and then knocked it out completely be adding Pau d'arco. At the time of her post she was in remission per a CAT scan for about 4 years - much to the disbelief of her doctor. Tony refused to even consider that testimonial - but went on about oleander.
I have a book on Essiac which quotes a medical doctor (MD) who claims to have cured thousands of cancer patients with Essiac alone. I'll eventually post that on a different thread that isn't buried.
You can believe what you want about ACS but my personal experience with them saved me a load of grief and allowed me to kick my urologist in the groin, so to speak. They also report much better scientific information than any other "mainstream" allopathic medical group that I've seen. Even quackwatch does that from time to time, but they are intermittent and I will not quote that source on curezone. (Shall we get into liver flukes and cancer, for example?)
Have a good one.