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This message was in my MySpace bulletins from the singer Aviad Cohen. So many Christians tell me that they love CS Lewis. I thought this was interesting (even though there might be minor points I would disagree with in the articles.)Body: Was C.S. Lewis A True Believer In Yeshua? Let's find out...
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/cs_lewis-fool.htm
http://www.balaams-ass.com/journal/homemake/cslewis.htm
The reason I share this with you...I'll just quote the Word of YHVH from the book of Ezekiel in the Tanakh (Old Testament)
"But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand. So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me." Ezekiel 33:6-7__________
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Was C.S. Lewis A True Believer... trembita
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,022,227re: C.S. Lewis:
http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/006/narnia-trouble.htm
http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/05/narnia.htm
http://www.crossroad.to/Excerpts/books/lewis-mere-christianity.htm
http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/006/zeus.htm
Pls note -- I don't agree with all that this ministry teaches, but they do have some great insight on a lot of topics i.e. I agree with the above.
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,022,227Am I the only one having trouble finding those articles on Lewis from the original post? When I click on those links it takes me to 'myspace', but I don't see the articles.
trembita- Re: p.s. LuellaMay
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This is a reply to # 1,022,466I had the same problem. Copy and paste to your browser and you will get the site.
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Luella
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This is a reply to # 1,022,227Just my opinion, but I think that children who have been thrilled by the messages in the Chronicles of Narnia are by and large better off for it. I read them to mine and will do so for my grandkids if any come along.
Personally, I cherish the book. And I think that at some point we have to stop and realize that if we want to get hardcore enough and take every word in the oft changed, many times translated and man written Bible literally (or more often, the way WE choose to interpret it) we could pick apart and condemn just about everything.
By the standards of the Old Testament (which I have some issues with taking too literally), Jesus could be condemned as a servant of Satan. And he pretty much is by some of those who reject the New Testament (see the Talmud).
I have a hard time even looking at a site that says JFK went to hell for accepting the Roman whore! (Besides, I was thinking more of it being the midnight swims with Marilyn)
But then I loved Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings - and the hardcases have had at them with quite the lasting fury. The can continue to have at them all they want and I will not change my mind about thoroughly enjoying them. Sometimes a person can get so uptight that they can scarcely breath or accept anything outside your own narrow perception wihthout shrill protest and I do not think that is right. Having strong core beliefs is wonderful, but I think you can hold to your beliefs and still enjoy life out amongst 'em without being corrupted - and without condemning everyone who shows any admiration for Buddha or is a gentle soul who believes in the powers of crystals as some kind of servant of satan.
It has been estimated that the true servants ot the satan worshipping Illuminati are perhaps 20,000 to 30,000 strong worldwide. The world has 6.5 BILLION people and I think that looking at the world and the Otherwordly in such a way as to condemn 6.3 Billion of them serves no good for us as individuals of for mankind in general. Better by far to realize who the truly evil core group are and what they are doing.
And, while remaining vigilant, also not being so rigid to the point of not being able to stop and smell the roses and enjoy life a bit no matter what.
Maybe this will help:
http://www.tbyil.com/Take%20Me%20Back.htm
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- Tsk, tsk, tsk... UserX
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This is a reply to # 1,022,227Well let's see now PVG, you must have known when you posted this here that you were touching a little golden calf - - - - which is of course precisely why you posted it.
Hmmmmmm..it's one thing to talk about conspiracies in every aspect of our living, breathing life, and yet another to question the origins of what's considered by many to be a sweet and inspiring movie for children, right?
And now perhaps by doing this you may have drawn that fine line of acceptance by your Conspiracy seeking peers. Why, you fanatic you. You expect us to join you in this nitpicking effort to slander even the most innocent of all things? Aren't you going waaay too far, are you saying nothing is sacred anymore???!!
Well I myself saw this movie, not at some theatre but in a classroom. You see I was taking a course in Bible prophecy from a rather unusual angle. The course was taught by a highly well educated and brilliant man from a foreign nation with knowlege and insights far from what you get in the usual fare of Bible courses. As part of his background, this dark, handsome, fascinating and erudite man told us how from his very birth he had been offfered and initiated into deep occultic rituals by his father. He not only had to delve into vast occultic volumes as part of his education, but he had also moved freely around many occultic practices as well. His father had been a very rich and influential man in his country, and he (the son) was to inherit this position of spiritual and political power later on in life. Ah, but what a great disappointment he turned out to be. It happened that as this man was growing up he became deeply dissatisfied with life, and at one point, (to make this story short)he had Depression so deep that, of course you knew it, he contemplated suicide. It was at this venture that he had a life-saving, born again experience with Jesus Christ.
Forward to many years later, he has become a foremost Bible teacher in the part of the world where he still lives most of the time. One of the things he likes to do is to challenge and cause many to think what and why it is they are beliving when compared to the original Hebrew significance and context into which Scriptures were written.
One night, we walked into a darkened room and he told us there would be no class tonight. We were going to simply view a film. The film was The Chronicles of Narnia. He made no comment and simply allowed us to watch the film without interruptions. At the end of the viewing he simply asked us each to give our impressions of the movie. (It was a long class that night!) After the majority of the class gushed about what a sweet and Christian movie this was, he simply looked on with a smile and waited for all to finish. Then he said, "let me tell you what this whole movie was about".
He proceeded to tell us practically scene by scene, flashing back to stills, every deliberately included occultic message and symbol either blatantly flashed or imbedded in the film. He went on to explain that some scenes were so obvious that every truly initiated occultist knew perfectly well what was being portrayed, and only the naive and conditioned masses would fail to grasp the hidden significance. For the latter would simply do what most in the class had done, overlook the questionable and concentrate on what appeared to be genuine, well meaning symbolic xtianity. (yes, I know how I spelled that!)
The deep tragedy he said, was that most people were so misinformed about their own faith that you could pull a counterfeit and they wouldn't know it. He warned his listeners than unless they learned to discern auhenticity from forgery, we would be unable to distinguish anything else from the onslaught that had been planned for us. He was challenged by some in the class who had become offended and went on to say that they still thought it was a great movie for children and how they couldn't believe that all he had been highlighting could be true. He went on to tell them he had shown them what was behind this huge inflitration into Christianity and that now that we had been shown the truth, it was henceforth our choice to commit to the living God without compromise, or to be snared by the deceit of the coming 'order'.
You have done the same thing as this man by bringing up these links by others equally concerned and aware of the nefarious plans behind this 'angel of light', and it isn't surprising that even those who usually see the smoke screens, fail to see it in this 'noble and harmless' movie. But that's all to be expected. I commend you for your efforts and to the rest I say what is poignantly stated in the book of Revelation: He who has ears, hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
Thak you PVG, for the links. I apprecite it.- Re: Tsk, tsk, tsk... Dquixote1217
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And if the conditioned masses fail to see occult symbols and embrace the uplifitng message, how is that so bad? If we denied every book or film that someone was able to find occult symbols or anti-Christian hidden messages in, we would likely be reduced to reading just one book and soon be finding fault in that too.
I wonder how many children have been turned into Satanists by the likes of the Chronicles of Narnia, Harry Potter or the Little Mermaid? I would bet that most of them take away the same messages that the audience who watched the film (and I was referring to the book, not the film) took away - unless someone educated them about how horrible and corrupt it was.
Sure, there is a huge conspiracy that spans generations and the symbols are there for all to see in the seats of power and what is supposed to be justice. But if we carry such thinking about our entire civilization to it's illogical conclusion then we are looking at another dark ages of telling people what to think and how to act - inquisitions, book burnings and all. What comes after that - burning heretics and scientists at the stake?
People who have seen me post know where I stand and what I think about the conspiracy. I refuse to let it narrow my mind and my enjoyment of life though. I assure you that I have thousands of books of fantasy and science fiction under my belt and have watched countless movies with monsters, demons, sorcerors and all kinds of things - and yet I still have posted warnings about the evil powers at work in the world and do not have any pentagrams with burning candles in my floor.
And when it comes time to make a final choice to choose Who to serve, I know what that choice will be. It was already made long ago.
Teach your children well and they will have no problem making the same choice.
DQ
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This is a reply to # 1,022,938I read you frequently and I have a great deal of respect for you, so having to debate an issue with you is not a pleasant task, although I'm sure we are both reasonable enough to understand we can not agree on every subject every time.
On this one I have to firmly disagree with you. You do not know me or anything about me. I am hardly an extremist of any sort, I do not require that everything to which children be exposed be Christian nor do I expect to have the whole world converted at gun point, nor would I like every form of fantasy wiped from the earth. That is ludicrous and unnecessary. Therefore I find your charge of narrow mindedness on my part for seeing a danger that you do not, rather offensive and beneath a person of your unique insights. Your further accusation that anyone seeing a problem with the subject in question is lacking in humor or the ability to 'smell the roses', is in itself rather amusing, and it smacks as a slight of the ole' 'ad hominem'. If I may add, hat's a very poor way sir of combatting the message.
You have failed to directly address any of the reasons why this film is of concern to me and to probably the few numbers of people who actually see the real harm beside it. I will not attempt to convince you nor do I frankly care if you see it my way, but I will offer you a more detailed reason of why I see this as pervasive a danger as the many other things that you see around you to which you do indeed see and voice your stance.
Film makers have increasingly reduced the number of good wholesome films for children over the years, so it is understandable that many parents are thrilled at the prospect of sosmething of cinematographical quality, void of bad language or nudity. What they are not readily perceiving is the gradual subliminal messages that to engage in the occult, or syncretism, is ok as long as you sprinkle it with a good dose of Christian sounding themes. This is not too different at all from the attempts made by the government, the pharmaceutitcal companies, schools, drug stores, ad nauseum, to vaccinate our children as it will do much good in preventing disease. Then a couple of party poopers like you and I pop up and point out that the hidden mercury, aluminum, bacteria and viruses in each dose is a hidden poison we don't want in our children at any cost. But continue to get consistent comebacks that tell us of the good that vaccines can do in preventing disease and deathly oubreaks. It is worth it, they tell us, the very small damage that those things can cause. The conventional wisdom then calls parents trying to withold their children from vaccines; abusers, narrow minded murderers who want to keep their young from all established good. It is then also useless to point out to them that vaccines do very little in terms of preventing disease and so on and so forth. You know this argument as well as I or better.
It is exactly, identical, the very same with this issue. The good that this film can do is negligible when you consider the well planned occult messages included in order to desensitize us to occultism. To further add insult to injury, and my greatest 'beef', is this film was targeted to Christian audiences, and many churches, more than I care to think, happily advertised and promoted it as a "christian movie". Well sir it is precisely this lack of discernment amongst our pastors and youth leaders that is so distressing. It is important to mention at this point that if this film truly were, as touted, a Christian movie, then hoardes would be coming to Christ as a result, but that of course never happens, much like our vaccine situation.
In summarizing, it is the clear representation of this material as christian by christians themselves and by the marketing strategists that makes ths dangerous from a truly Christian perspective. The message of Christ must never be adulterated with anything else, much less occultism and New Age. If you personallly do not see the dangers inherent in syncretism, then fine, I'm not the one to whom you will answer. But never ever has God been pleased when a people mixed his truth with lies. In simpler Biblical terms it was called mixing the leaven of the Pharisees. For my part I have less of a problem with Harry Potter, in the sense that it has never pretended to pass off as Christian or any other such thing.
Occultism is at the root of our world dominance, in our politicians' moves and everywhere we look. What a great idea to introduce it in innocent packaging into our churches and homes. What a great way to condition believers into accepting Trojan horses gradually, stealthily.
My response has gone on longer than I intended, and yet I doubt if I have said anything to convince you. However, I do hope that you at least consider some of what I've said and at least refrain from calling someone pointing out this often neglected issue, humorless and lacking in joy of life. Contrary to how it may appear, this is not a superficial observation, but one which has taken hours of research and dedicated study by some.
Every once in a while Tony, there may have been something you missed along a path, and just as you are a gift at pointing out skipped steps for others, sometimes you may want to take notice of someone elses' views where you do not think you need to look.
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I have not seen the film - as I posted earlier, I was referring to the books. I read them, enjoyed them, and still cherish them and did not detect the least bit of dark occult subliminal messages.
Other than that, I only say that I respect your opinions and believe that they come from a good heart, I agree that good folks can disagree with one another and still be good folks and friends.
Having said that, I will debate no more with folks that I think are actually on the same side in the ongoing battle for control of our world.
Peace,
DQ
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This is a reply to # 1,023,140And you know the adage, "divide and conquer". We certainly don't need to fall into that, LOL
Here's an interesting thought that popped into my mind right after reading your last post: I never read the books!!!
For all I know, I would be fine with the books, who knows? But it's an interesting factor in all of this.
Peace to you too!- Re: No question we're on the same si... Dquixote1217
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I much prefer books, where it is much harder to imbed symbols and you tend to use your own imagination and core values to "picture" what you are reading. When you read them to your children, you can also use a bit of, ahem, editorial license.
I am not sure what you would think of the books, but I found them wonderful!
DQ
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This is a reply to # 1,022,227It's valid to discuss the finer points of Christianity here or anything else for that matter. But given that Christ in broader strokes beleived in compassion, kindness and love for humanity - um shouldn't there be bigger fish to fry than pro-Christian writers that are loved the world over?
Let's just take Christian nation sanctioned murder and genocide for starters. Our Christian nation is responsible for over a million Iraqui deaths between our wars and sanctions, and that doesn't even consider our nuclear radiation of their country which has caused a massive cancer and birth defect epidemic - and is the gift that will keep giving for the next 10 thousand years. Lets not forget Afghanistan, Cuba and other unfortunate peoples that have starved because of US/UK sanctions over the years. Or the 3rd world that is kept in squalor and hopelessness largely because of multinational corporations, the world bank, UN and US efforts to insure dirt cheap labor costs and manufacturing centers.
Isn't it unChristian to spend your time worrying about the finer points of Christianity instead of pitching in to do something about the overwhelming amount of human suffering in the world? Between taking a magnifying glass to the scriptures or helping your fellow man, which do you think Jesus would advocate?
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This is a reply to # 1,022,933""Isn't it unChristian to spend your time worrying about the finer points of Christianity instead of pitching in to do something about the overwhelming amount of human suffering in the world? Between taking a magnifying glass to the scriptures or helping your fellow man, which do you think Jesus would advocate?""
I'm not going to spend countless hours finding Scriptures to refute your stance, but Christianity isn't defined by the opinions of antagonistic unbelievers, but rather by the leading of Scriptures. And on that note, suffice to say that we are commissioned to contend earnestly for the faith, and that means yes, going with a fine tooth comb if need be in searching out what is Godly and what is not.
Jesus advocated searching out the truth, which incidentally He said He was the way, the truth and the light.
Striving to maintain an integral course in the faith walk and living and doing for your fellow man are not mutually exclusive actions. They are mandates which some follow, some do not, we will all be accountable in the end for the love of God and man we showed.
Sounds like you have bought the religiopolitics of the neo cons. Too bad - they lied.
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Okay..... Where do I start?
Is your source the Bible, the King James Version, another translation, or have you gone into an in depth study of the ancient Hebrew and Greek manuscripts?
I both agree and disagree with the site in question. I agree 100% with the paragraph on secret societies. Disney is most certainly a name linked with the Illuminati. Yet, Disney, C. S. Lewis and countless other "occult" fairy tales have raised our children for decades. I am guilty of reading these books to my children and grandchilren. Actually, I am saddened that parents are now too busy to read these stories to their children. We are losing a valuable tradition and no longer challenge our children's imaginations to dream and be creative. My point. These fantasies have not turned myself or my children into devil worshippers.
And as we talk about all the pagan influences in C. S. Lewis material, Harry Potter, Disney, and the world in general, let us also talk about all the pagan material and rituals in our own christian churches. Oh yes, I am referring to the paganism in our very own born again christian churches.
First of all, Jesus' true teachings have been lost and hacked up beginning with Constantine's seizure and reshaping of christianity. King James chose what books we were to consider "inspired by God" yet books that would give us further understanding of our biblical history were left out. Have you read the Book of Enoch? The Book of Jared? Why did he decide that we need not be aware of this material? It surely familiarizes the reader with the character Enoch, other than just Enoch walked with God and was taken up to heaven.
I will venture to say, that we do not hold the truth of what Jesus taught us. We hold on to a sad remnant of the treasures that he taught while still following pagan practices with a "christian": label attached to it. We practice nothing but a kindergarten version of what he taught.
Instead of going into a complete dissertation on paganism in our christian churches, I will give you but a couple of examples.
Christmas: First of all, it is established that Jesus was not born in December. It is very strange that we celebrate this most sacred of births during the winter solstice when pagans celebrated their solstice feast of Saturnalia. It is also very curious that we exchange gifts on this occasion, just as the pagans exchanged gifts during Saturnalia. The wreaths, trees, and decorations used during this season are also of pagan origin. So are the colors.
Let's go to Easter, the Resurrection. The word "Easter" is a variation of the word "Ishtar" Goddess of fertility. As we celebrate Jesus' Resurrection, have a huge dinner, give our children easter baskets with plush bunnies, chocolate bunnies, and color and hide easter eggs for our children to happily find, we are doing nothing else but celebrating the fertility feast of Ishtar.
Paganism is indeed all around us. How pathetic that we have hacked up the truth that Jesus died for.
I also wish that I could discount all this and say that christians are the kindest loving people in the world. Actually, many christians have become legalistic following the "Law" just as the Pharasees did. Compassion is only practiced on Thanksgiving and Christmas. Jesus said, feed the poor, visit the sick, visit the prisoners. Always, not just when convenient.
Sadly, I will point out that wiccans practice peace and love much more than your average christian.
Christianity is not a religion. It is a way of life. From the spirit and from the heart. When we say, "forgive all my sins and come into my heart and be my Lord and Savior," is this just another ritual or are our lives indeed transformed to be like HIM and to truly spread the gospel of love?
Hugs,
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Was C.S. Lewis A True Believer... phxvalleygirl
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This is a reply to # 1,023,001I agree with a lot of what you said, Luella. Here are a couple of links to books on that topic that I have read:
Fossilized Customsby Lew White
Pagan Christianity: The Origins of Our Modern Church Practices
or newer edition:
Pagan Christianity: The Origins of Our Modern Church Practicesby Frank Viola
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