A Metal or Mental Disorder? 
Azurite
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A friend of mine has been a strict raw food vegan for 20 years. She religiously sponsors raw food gatherings at her home every month and invites a health food speaker or natural healer to give a presentation. She is rigid in her belief that greens are the Answer. Wheat grass, kale shakes and parsley smoothies are the End All and Be All of everything a human body could ever need to create vitality and long life. She has gone to the special detox farms where all they give you is wheat grass implants and wheat grass is the Goddess of Rejuvenation. blah blah blah.
A couple of years ago she started to bleed heavily and had to wear a special girdle etc. She tried more wheat grass therapy to no avail. Finally she was diagnosed with stage three cancer and had her insides surgically removed. So what is wrong with this picture?
I have seen all too often in life experience and even right here inside the CureZone tales similar to this one. I hear them say 'I have been soooo good' 'I eat raw vegetables every day'. 'I have done multiple liver flushes'. 'I took all these fancy vitamins and herbs' etc etc. and yet they are still asking the same questions and they are still not entirely well.
Is part of it is because they are stuck in their minds? They wear the mask of a health crusader or spiritual yogi or that pure and simple soul. Often they are truly kind and good people. But in other cases looking a little deeper one can see they are stuck. Stuck in a rigid belief system.
Something happens when we become an idologue. My friend is a crusader and will not accept any opposing position. Her brain is lateralized to an extreme. She is highly intolerant to other viewpoints and will not consider other positions as being in any way relevant. She is determined and focussed but nevertheless stuck. She has many 'anti' positions. She firmly believes that humans are destroying the world and blames them for global warming.
This is an anti-human position. Blaming the humans. Linda McCartney died of cancer and she was a staunch crusader for animal rights. Another friend of mine died of cancer and she only gave her dogs vegetables to eat. Is being extremely pro-animals a form of being anti-human? Anti-human implies anti-self also. Is cancer a form of anti-self? Where the body consumes itself? Eats itself? Maybe.
It is the extremist that will not listen or be open to other possiblities and will not bend with the wind. They cannot be flexible nor adapt. Often there is a smugness or holier-than-thou attitiude. The mind has a hidden infection. It lacks self awareness for it assumes a state of grandiosity and has enthroned itself in its certitude. It no longer accepts healthy feedback. It cannot listen to new ideas or thoughts. Does cancer in the body start in the mind first? Is it a reflection of rigid thinking and concretized positions? Maybe.
Look how lateralized and extreme our society has become. Intolerance is rampant. Disagreement is dealt with by rage. Rigidity is rampant. Dialogue succumbs and is sacrificed by death threats. There is no middle ground. I believe our problems stem from our toxic environment. Plants and fruits are sprayed with chemicals particularly heavy metals. It's in our teeth, our pools, our air, our foods. Everything is basically contaminated and it is leaching into our consciousness. Our beliefs. And it is reinforcing things which is a basic quality of metal. It does not give in. It is intolerant. And unforgiving. Just like metal.
So does cancer begin in the mind? Do all health conditions hide in the mind first and then reflex into the body? Smugness and self satisfaction imply stagnation. Certitude and intolerance imply rigidity. Indignation that their views are not accepted as being absolute implies arrogance. Is cancer a wake up call to the unhealthy attitudes of the mind? Is it a lesson of some sort? Or is it more about the environment and our self inflicted Death Urge?
My friend lays in bed with low energy. She muses on Checking Out. Maybe its too hard to face oneself. To reflect on the self. Whenever I see this kind of rigidity I ALWAYS suspect metals poisoning. Why? Metals are hard. They do not bend. They are rigid. They are very difficult to expel. They are anti-flesh. Anti-human. I know my friend tests very high for cadmium. I told her that no way that wheat grass would remove that from her flesh. She does not listen. Is it mental or is it metals? I don't know. I remain on my quest searching as we all do here at our beloved CureZone and so will continue to ponder.
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- Mental molly bloom
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Wow girlfriend, you are really on a roll. All this introsepection. I would suspect that you are correct.
It's the mind. No matter what we do, no matter what we take...it's all in the mind.
The death knell tolls when there is anger and rage. It's the most destructive event in the body. It's the ultimate fight or flight. Our instincts as animals are over ridden by our intellect. The sickest people I know are those that are mad at something...politics, their bosses, their spouses...or just plain life.
I believe there is a difference between "passion" and "indignation". Passion infuses postive life. Indignation is one big negative.
How many people are told by a doctor they are going to die in three months...and then do, right on cue? The old voodoo curse. How many people negate the doctor and are told by some natural health practioner they will eat this, or take that and beat cancer....and they do? And then they go onto the internet and say that this or that is the cure for cancer?
Let's ask Dr. Sutter. What was your state of mind when you beat liver cancer? Did you know you were going to do that? At which point did you decide that? Did you at anytime feel a sense of total fatality? It would be interesting hearing from someone who experienced this up close and personal.
It's weird. I always thought that if I ended up with cancer I'd ignore it, get healthier and it would go away. I know this down to my bones. Before all this natural health I was so paranoid about it. Now I think of it as just another disease to overcome. I did this with my inflammation of the ribs which I had for years. My husband swears its not all the cleanses, it was that I just decided to make it go away. And in truth, I did exactly that. Not to diminish the cleanses...I am healthier than I was 20 years ago for sure.
So my dear AZ...why do you think they call these "support" forums.
On the other side of the coin, can you screw up your body? Of course you can. If all I did was eat onion soup day after day I doubt I would survive. Basic biology. And if I ate that onion soup and was angry I'd say I was a pretty doomed person...do you agree? Can you starve to death? Yes you can.
I'm curious, how is this womans vegan friends supporting her? Are they standing around her bed indignant at her fate? Is anyone trying to force feed her a steak?
Molly
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- How Do We Find Wholeness? Azurite
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This is a reply to # 1,018,411She told me she has very few friends. That others don't understand her and that she feels she is on a level that is different from most people. That state we know as separation. Just as the cancer is a state of 'splitting' apart or separation. A disconnect. The mind in disconnect may influence the body.
I believe the deepest pain we experience is the separation from our Creator. The feeling of abandonment which may manifest as a feeling of victimhood. Being kicked out of that holy state. The Death Urge can simply be a desire to 'go home' and so the DU lurks in the subconscious and the passion for life and living is damaged and slowly eats us up.
Dying is easy to do. Existing in a state of passion is a different sort of challenge. Many thoughts are swirling for me here since I believe in Karma as a paradoxical state. A state of contradiction and not confusion. Can we be in something and outside of it at the same time? That is the paradox. Is Karma fate? or is it maleable? fluid? For me the answer is Yes. There is no contradiction.
A steak? here is how the polarity has further extended itself into this scenario. Her husband who has travelled to many spiritual destinations and is erudite in all manner of higher spiritual learning and has been a vegan for many years himself has now become a full blown alcoholic!!! Now he has polarized himself into the extreme opposite of his fanatical wife. It's almost a soap opera. Talk about extremes. This is a real story unfolding before my own eyes. But it is an example of a disconnected state. When we are unplugged from our True Self we can become unglued. The problem is a false identification with shallow values and where the mask takes on more importance than is warranted.
- Re: How Do We Find Wholeness? molly bloom
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Ah interesting. Now here is the rub. I am an atheist. No easy feat. It's not very warm and fuzzy, you know? So life is all important to me because I don't believe in a hereafter. Sometimes I am jealous of those that believe, but not enough to do so myself. I'm really putting myself out there telling you this because it is not a popular thing to attest to.
However I do believe in something. Not a creator per se, but perhaps something more astral. I believe in the body producing energy. What happens to that energy at death is a paradox to me, but I do have the feeling that we don't just expire. Is that spiritual? Perhaps.
Someone who was a spirtual healer once told me that I had healing powers through my expended energy. I have always felt this. I used to lay hands on loved ones to take away pain and it worked! It was sort of scary to me. Simple things like tummy aches and headaches. My hands would heat up quite a bit when this happened.
I knew that if I had this power it was coming from my mind. When I let my mental and then physical body break down I was unable to do this kind of simple healing. As I've gotten healthier I feel the power come back. It's sort of freaky. I have total control over it. I sort of think I forced this power over myself during my whole healing process.
Abandonment issues. Seperation from the mother. Seperation from other humans. Unable to merge. It's lonely except for those that have that magical connection. But at times even that magical connection is disconnected as life takes its twists and turns and faith wanes. Loss of faith is a death knell to some. Its a very slippery slope. Those that never question their faith however are of a different ilk. It's human nature to question however. To those that never ever question there is something else going on.
Because I'm an atheist it's hard to believe in Karma. Even so I've seen it play out many times. In the end I think humans decide their own fate. The hurtful events that create the drama that create the bad decisions that create the self hatred, etc etc.
My mother in law is a die hard Catholic...the eastern european type. She faithfully went to church almost everyday. She was practicing hard core natural health for years, she walked 5 miles a day. Mentally she was in more pain than any person I've ever known. She started having strokes at 75. Her body is good, her mind is gone. The month before her stroke her doctor told her she was healthy as a horse. She had so much hatred and anger (a victim of WWII). After her first few strokes she thought God was punishing her for some major indiscretions. In the eyes of the Church you could say that she was very sinful, and so she went everyday looking for her salvation. Do I believe that she caused her strokes? Absolutely. It was the only way out of her pain. Her disconnect.
I feel like I'm just rambling now, and I guess the point I'm trying to make is that perhaps your poor friend has more personal mental demons in her closet than meets the eye. The new found hobby of the husband is very telling. People don't just go from this to that for no reason at all. Someone has lost control and I suspect that perhaps the wife did so first. By "loss of control" I mean going so far into the depths of denial that it was impossible to listen to her own body, therefore creating physical chaos. To end up with that much cancer there had to be prerequisite physical distress. There must have been signs.
It's a sad situation and I feel sorry for her. I feel sad about the pain her husband is in. She must feel so lonely really.
Sorry for the long post. Sometimes I get into steam of consiousness posting.
Molly
- Re: How Do We Find Wholeness? cocoa1
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This is a reply to # 1,018,464i think having a strong attitude would be one of the most important things.just like a boxing match where the boxer looks like he is out and then comes back out of nowhere,if you throw in the towel your body is not getting any help.cant rule out toxic products she might be using.i would check for proplene benzene and avoid that to.
- Re: How Do We Find Wholeness? cocoa1
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This is a reply to # 1,018,464i forgot to add something speaking of boxers i think it was ken norton who was in a car crash and was told by the doctor he would never walk or talk again,three years later he was walking talking and chewing gum at the same time,i think most poeple accept and believe what there told by the docs.the poeple who give it there all come back to the doctor and they cant believe there still around,at the same time they dont ask or want to know how they did it and thats fine
- Re: How Do We Find Wholeness? Azurite
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Molly-Interesting. Life is all important to me because I DO believe in a hereafter! Ah ha! when I look at the incredibly intricacy and fullness of creation, birds, bees and flowers and the interaction and depth of the 'leela' or dance of creation I feel a part of That. It's a gift to feel connected to All That Is. Eternity is a wonderful thing! It's joyful.
But I can also understand why my father was an agnostic. He came through the depression, world war two, the loss of his first wife and the Vietnam war which affected him greatly because he had an intimate part in that and served in Nam. It divided him because he believed in America and was a proud patriot. But the war did him in. He retired and left the country and returned one time for his college reunion. The split in his consciousness was reflected in the way he chose to check out. He had a stroke and the division in his mind was reflected in the half-of-a-man he became afterwards. He was half in the world and half out.
To me Karma is a momentum thing. It builds upon itself. You accumulate Karma as you go and can change it like finger paints too. Kind of like a situation that always bothers you and you realize you have a choice to change your response to the annoyance. So you go into what I call 'scramble' mode. You take a bothersome situation and look at it as if its a finger painting and then scramble it in the mind. That shifts the energy. We can do that with our past emotions and beliefs too. It does take some creativity though and a desire to change habits or patterns. This requires some self initiative and awareness. Its about changing our own reactions to things. Because that is the main thing we have in our control. Our own upsettness. Our own guilt. Our own fears etc.
The idea that God is a punisher is a control mechanism by religion that decided to become the middle man for some weird sort of reversed god. This is how it works. The faithful file into the church. The guy in the robes presiding at the pulpit speaks to the herd in the pews and tells them "its your fault". You are the ones who are responsible for "the greatest crime that ever occurred". He spins around and points to the bleeding bearded man dangling from the cross behind him and tells the conditioned mass that THEY have murdered this man. "You did this". "You are sinners". And now he screams "He died for you! You no good suckers!". And so the brain washing continues and that is how we get a god that punishes. So that is religion. It's about as phony as it gets. But it's very different from spirituality which is free of guilt and shame and embraces wholeness and health. It is not focussed on fear, death or punishment.
My 'poor' friend is making a choice. She is only as poor as she wants to be. I was able to offer a few suggestions to her and she said I was about one of the only people she felt connected too. So maybe something will change for the better? I certainly hope so. She has so much to offer and has done many good things. She is at a crossroads and I am there if she needs me.
- Re: How Do We Find Wholeness? awakened
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This is a reply to # 1,018,485Mental attitude has alot to do with ones capabilities. Dr. Sutter discusses this in his book, which is a must read for anyone. I think he mentions how it is the ornery, and stubborn people who set there mind against disease who over come. Many people state it but really aren't commited in there hearts. One of my favorite sayings is "whether you believe you CAN or you believe you CAN'T....your right". I think to many coincidences happen for there not to be a higher power. Also have talked to people with NDE near death experiences to not believe that there is more than one can see. However, I feel that "man's religeon" has perverted it, and just like any other conspiracy, the truth is there it is just mixed in with the other crap.
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- Re: A Metal or Mental Disorder? knows
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Its both. There are physical causes and mental causes. I just lost a patient that I knew I was going to lose. The first time I saw her over a year ago, after one conversation with her I knew she wouldn't make it. I still tried to get through to her but it never happened. She died a couple of months ago. Jesus had to cure her, Jesus had to save her. She's gone now.
Like the girl AZ is talking about. If they are so mentally metalized they cannot accept any communication from others. They will die.
Yes, I've been terminaly ill. But I had a lot of things going for me that the average person doesn't have. The first of which is going the medical way was NOT an option for me, not even a consideration, no matter how sick I was. I was born and raised Chiropractic back when chiropractic still had its essence. So I've been watching the medics kill folks my whole life. It doesn't work and it never has worked so I never even considered it. It didn't even enter my mind.
Next, it was very clear when and where I got sick. Before Vietnam I was healthy, after Vietnam I was sick. Pretty cut and dry. So I knew it HAD to be something from the war.
Next I was right in the middle of natural healing so I had access to the top people in natural healing.
Next I knew what it was like to be truly healthy. I never had the vaccinations or drugs when I was a kid.
Last I had been to war. I almost got killed three times over there and I made it back so I already knew I was mentally tough. We were good in Vietnam, real good.
The problem was the denial factor about the poisons and the total ignorance about the disease creation abilities of parasites. Or even the possiblity of becoming infested with parasites. Thus, Hulda Clark going public with her work was monumental in the history of Natural Healing.
What is it like to be terminaly ill and as sick as I was? Here's the way I used to describe it.
Every second, of every minute, of every hour, of every day, of every week, of every month, of every year you feel like you're going to drop over dead. That went on for years. When you go to the bathroom you don't lock the door in case you die in there. Whenever you see anybody you wonder if that's the last time you're going to see them. You wonder the same thing with every meal you eat. Will that be my last one??? Going to sleep at night was the toughest. Don't know if you're going to wake up the next morning. I remember many, many times repeating over and over to myself as I tried to get to sleep. "I dont want to die, I don't want to die".
Belief will kill you, truth will set you free. Toss belief right out the window. It takes mental toughness to conquer terminal. You get mentally tough by applying truths, by studying, by experimentation. Find out what works then apply it. Seek and test.
I think I've got an essay on my web site called "Getting Neutral". Get rid of ALL your prejudises, suspend ALL beliefs, anything you think you know as true, and get to work. Seek and test. Back when I was going through it we didn't have the Internet so it was a rather lengthy journey. That's why these forums are so important and why I participate in them. I went through it alone, no support network. That was tough but then I did have a few advantages the average person doesn't have.
There ARE legitimate mental conditions that cause disease, especially cancer. Child abuse, especially sexual child abuse. Child abuse PTSD and is handled the same way war PTSD is handled.
The guys father who had a stroke because he was a career military man that saw his entire lifes belief system and work torn apart when he was exposed to the blatent fraud of Vietnam. Everything he had spent his entire life thinking as true was plainly revealed to him as lies. That's a heartbreaker folks. That's betrayal at its finest. And, by the way, the biggest heartbreak I've ever had in my life is when I discovered the truth of why we were there in the first place. I still get pissed-off about it to this day.
God, Karma, existence beyond this physical body? God is more accurately defined as "Universal Inteligence". Get rid of the fire and brimstone crap. Go with quantum physics. Karma, well yeah, of course. I Personally think that most people are so damn honest if they did do some dastardly deed to their fellowman they would automaticaly set it up to have it done back to them at some future date. No need for a judge (God) - you'll judge yourself AND pay yourself back accordingly. (the politicians and elite being the exception) And if you don't know you carry on after your body dies spend some time on the front lines where they die right in front of you. You'll then know you are indeed a little piece of God and that little piece of God can never die. It's just not possible. There is no way you can ever be separated from source because you are a little piece of that source (God). So much for separation anxiety.
The physical causes are obvious at this time in history. Poisons, parasites, wrong diet, etc. And are the easier of the two to treat and eliminate so your health will return. But if you worship one method to the exclusion of all others to the point where you refuse all comunication that might vary with what you worship, you will lose. I've seen it happen over and over again.
To "believe" in someone or something for the sole purpose of wanting people to believe you doesn't fly.
Truth is truth and will work when applied. Embrace it.
Lies are lies - toss them.
No "belief".
So it's not all mental nor is it all physical. But of the two, people sure do figure out ways to screw up their minds. Your theories may be correct about the metals causing the mental though. Clean em out, see what happens.
Doc Sutter
- Re: A Metal or Mental Disorder? #67299
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This is a reply to # 1,018,391i assume you use QRA for testing cadmium toxicity. if not, what would you recommend for testing 'heavy metals'
and, is metal poisoning a common problem. i always considered, apart from people with amalgam fillings and kids with autism-vaccine shots/'leaky' gut, that metal poisoning is not as big a factor as some are claiming it to be
after all these years i tend to think most serious long-standing shit starts off in the childhood. in other words, parents. its an excuse for not taking responsibility. how could someone take responsibility for their general health if they have not seen the raising parents in question when they were a child take responsibility?- Re: A Metal or Mental Disorder?...QR... Azurite
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Boem- great question! thanks
Dr Marshall who created and pioneered the protocol for QRA has a number of ways to take care of metals. He says this " Heavy metal toxicity is now almost universal in Americans. We are exposed to many sources of heavy metals including environmental contaminants, vaccinations (which typically contain mercury preservatives) and dental materials which can contain multiple sources of toxic heavy metals. A heavy metal detoxification is recommended for literally everyone".
Marshall places a great deal of emphasis on the bio-terrain meaning the ph. Testing for the strength or weakness of the three detox organs is also there too. (Kidney, liver and colon). He has an enormous amount of very specific information on dental detox and procedures. He gives the names of restoration materials to avoid or use, can test individual teeth for infection or metals, is keenly aware of the individual teeth and the meridians they connect to etc etc. Highly scientific and precise and can be measured using QRA.
He recommends everyone follow the Super Food Trio (greens mix, coral calcium and cod liver oil). He recommends the whole body detox using the HCL protocol. This uses betaine hcl with a potassium activator. This system was discovered in 1930 and the original information can be found in the CureZone archives. Marshall resurrected it and it is the key to whole body detox, cell remethylization and dismantling the biofilms. He took the original approach and retooled it to make it much better. He has never had a single case of Lyme Disease that has not been reversed using the hcl detox. Over 300 cases.
QRA then tests individual sites and stress taps them too. This uses classic O-ring (discovered by Omura) kinesiology but enhanced by Marshall. The procedure tests Intestinal lining, Nerves, Brain, Kidney, Whole Body Detox. The herbs used and specific doses are matched to the individual. The Premier formulas target individual sites as determined by the testing. The mouth can be detoxed using a blend of herbs and clays. Marshall uses external clay pack, clay baths, castor packs, and gets the pathways open. This keeps the amount of nutrients and detox herbs down to a minimum and disallows for jamming up of the meridians which is a cause of detox symptoms. (The toxins do not move out well and can cause a strong reaction).
We are facing serious long term contamination in many parts of the world. The Germans say the pipeline is so toxic that it will take the bees there fifty years before they can generate uncontaminated bees wax. Its in the water, air and land. Marshall says Americans are metal poisoned because he has tested thousands of people and has seen it with his own eyes. We are still using copper pipes, aluminum cook ware, cheap metals in cutlery, arsenic in the water, metals in the mouth, metals in vaccines, metal in petrol, metal in pesticides. The body has no biological way to eliminate metal. It's the ultimate free radical causing a cascade effect of damage throughout the body. Using clays, herbs and algae for detoxification are effective and produce excellent results.
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