Re: Debate Moreless or Acid/Alkaline Debate Forum?

I responded to the post, not the thread, so I did not see it as a strange place to post.

In this “current” thread…

All I did was respond to trapper’s post in which he stated something to the effect that ML changed posts etc. and asked for fairness as V has done the same.

My intent and your perception are very different on many counts...

I am having much trouble conveying that to you.

It is most unfortunate that the written word and written intent can be misinterpreted so easily. My intent and your perception seem to be two very different things. I can see how this could happen though.

For example in a post to trapper you state,

"why share with the peasants?"

Do you really discriminate against other human beings based upon class? Or perhaps you discriminate based upon thought, beliefs, or understanding? I hope not... and don’t think you do, but what is one to think reading a statement like that?

Is it taken out of context? Written in the heat of the moment? Who knows… most certainly your intent could be different than the perception of your intent.

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You wrote;

“Your intent there was to discredit V, as in "no, he wasn't the first"

My response was to a poster who exclaimed/questioned, “wow, spock was the first to bring Iodine to curezone?”

My response was to answer that question, not to discredit... an answer to a question, nothing more. :-\

You wrote;

“and to discredit me, as in "look, she argued against iodine, and gee, not that long ago."

No, I have stated my intent. If you choose not to believe it, C'est la vie.

In my original post where I referenced your opposition to kelp due to Iodine content I prefaced it with;

"NOTE: we all live and learn, I love these people and more importantly they are my teachers... do NOT pass judgment for we have all made these errors in the past and will most likely make more in the future."

I am not passing judgment.

I also posted,

"If you remember I pulled up past posts of your opposition to kelp supplementation due to Iodine overdose NOT to discredit you or anyone else for doing a 180."

Please release yourself from the term “discredit”. I have repeatedly stated it is not, and never was my intent.

In spite of my repeated statements to the contrary, you wrote in this latest post:

“The bringing up of my past posts, I have no problem with. It is your INTENT I have a problem with. As I stated, I knew they'd be dug up. I figured it would be ML as he has made repeated veiled references...although, having been repeatedly criticized for that, he now needs others to do it for him, such as you.”

I guess my repeated attempts at clarifying my intent are failing miserably.

What does ML have to do with our discussion? I guess it served as a springboard for you to take a jab. All I asked for was fairness in my original post to trapper… that is all.

Again, your position and MY intent are two different things.

As far as bringing up Vulcanel and his behavior here in a thread that was discussing ML, I found some similarities between the two based upon trapper's post and chose to point them out is all; nothing more.

I think it is very clear to people who have been reading the iodine and iodine Debate Forums (it is even clearer to me having done it) that higher doses of iodine, while they may very well reverse some very scary medical conditions, may also cause a change in perception and thought in some people.

And why wouldn’t it? It is a halide, and based upon the literature, bromine and fluorine can do the exact same thing to people, so there is going to be a definitive effect on the mind in some way, whether through detox reactions and/or over saturation of iodine. A halide imbalance of any kind looks like it would cause this.

“Thyroid storm. This is a decompensated form of severe thyrotoxicosis that is an uncommon, but life-threatening condition. Precipitating factors are infections, trauma, surgical emergencies or operations, eclampsia, parturition, and diabetic ketoacidosis. Clinically presentation occurs with high fever, tachycardia, delirium, psychosis, restlessness, prostration, nausea, vomiting, and abdominal pain. Apathy, stupor and coma may occur.”

http://ocw.tufts.edu/Content/14/lecturenotes/265881

“Uncommon condition” under normal circumstances. Iodine supplementation is not “normal” circumstances.

“An early suggestion of enhanced hormonal secretion came from the observation of elevated protein-bound iodine (PBI) levels in the serum of psychiatric patients presumably under emotional stress and in medical students in the course of examinations.127"

http://www.thyroidmanager.org/chapter5/5a-text.htm

Things like this and my own personal experience inspired my be careful post...

In spite of this potential side effect, is it something worth struggling through to maintenance dose?

With a legitimate health reason behind the higher dosing it is absolutely worth it as a stop in dosing or reduction to maintenance should help alleviate any symptoms.

Does high dosing (different for different people) come without side effects and/or detox reactions? No, it does not and people should be very aware of that. It can and does bend reality and perception for some.

You wrote;

“I also find it interesting that you state: "You make some good points." ...well golly gee, thanks. How about actually addressing some of those points?”

I will address the remainder of your post now.

The good points in your previous post include the stories and information about egos, including your husbands. There is more than one way to do things and do them right, even in his profession. He may even know more than one way to do the same thing “right”.

Indeed, more often than not, he may be right, however, I am sure there are times when he is wrong. For the most part, you, being his wife get his side of the story only… of course you are proud of him, believe and support him, I would too.

Having built in North and South America I can state that building methods and practices vary considerably in different areas and the “right” way to do it in one place, is the “wrong” way to do it in another. Does it make one right and the other wrong?

You stated…

“Sooo...why would one choose to delete posts? Well, here's a thought. I recently had some of my old posts linked, posts that were pretty much in exact opposition to what I know to be true now. What was the purpose of that?”

I think that bothered you more than you let on when you responded, smiley faces and all;

“I was wondering when my ill-informed anti-iodine posts would be pulled from the vault, and by whom:) Thank goodness I've learned since then!

I never delete a post. I'm on a learning curve, and it's a beautiful thing! I love being wrong:)”

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Why are you so stuck? How can I help you over come this feeling?

You stated…

“Now what of the situation of someone who many look to for info/answers? Could it be that there are even more attempting to discredit him? Oh, yeah...more that say, "well, gee, thanks for the years of study you've obviously put into this, but MY way is better, just because it is! Not because I have any comparative knowledge/life experiences to base my feelings on but"... or.... "look, YOU said THIS but now you say THIS" (as we lift an out of context statement from an old post)...”

Still stuck on the discredit issue in spite of my attempts to clarify intent :-\

I would also like to address that the years of “study” and/or practice does not make one right… do we think that all the scientists, doctors etc. in big pharma, chemical and medico industries are absolutely right because they have countless years of dedication to duty, study, research, and job experience behind them? Enough said...

As far as referencing 180’s and such, when one edits their posts and another has not saved the editors prior post, this is most difficult to “prove”. You know that. That I have witnessed it is not a confirmation to others that it has happened, but my understanding of the situation as I have seen it. As I have stated, people have the ability to not only live, learn and grow, but also to change their position on a subject. A 180 is NOT a bad thing. It shows growth. Having the old posts available, in their unedited form, allow ALL viewers/posters to see that personal growth. With any luck the readers will also understand the information that helped facilitate the change, broadening their understanding.

Learning and changing views is a progression for each and every one of us. I take issue with editing posts to the degree that Vulcanel has done for these and other reasons.

To add clarification, editing of spelling, grammar, formatting, and the like is fine, but to change significant, pertinent content?

Now this…

“And picking & choosing who he tells...power-mongering as you say? Or choosing based on who is ready to receive, who will listen and who will gain? Don't we all do that in this world?”

It is not so much the picking and choosing that I find as a problem as much as it is the manner in which it is done… the editing of significant information after the fact, taking what may be valuable information away from others.

When you made this statement,

"why share with the peasants?"

I thought immediately of all Vulcanel’s posts that reflected the same sentiment and attitude… power-mongering? Maybe not, but what is it? Sure sounds like someone setting themselves above others to me.

I find myself questioning Vulcanel's purpose here and character. Maybe he wanted a case study group for high dosing and is observing the groups behavior, and progress... and maybe my perception is wrong and his reasons pure... however, based upon his behavior I question it. Perhaps much the same way trapper questions ML's purpose...

Questioning is a good thing.

And maybe all of this talk and thought is just the full moon on iodine... :-) Tweet