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Jeez 4240,

You saying <<<"I see selfishness, arrogance, and hippocracy in that.">>> about me for no reason is just plan old rude! And that was an angry statement, and your rudeness and anger was the ONLY thing that struck a chord in me! And you refuse to even apologize for it. End of THAT story!

Well by now I told you three times that comment was not directed at you. So this back and forth is at the caliber of a SS conversation.

You took that sentence just now out of context. Here it is again:
What's selfish is forcing people to have kids who don't want them to further their agenda and then call people who do IVF selfish because they don't take all the unwanted kids. I see selfishness, arrogance, and hypocrisy in that.

Since you are pro choice this obviously is not about you. I added that paragraph to make a comment about abortion. Somehow you don’t want to see that. I am not going to apologize for saying it because it was not written in that intent. I am sorry that you see it that way and cannot get my explanation for the fourth time now, but I am not sorry that I wrote it. Maybe I should have put a paragraph space between that comment but somehow I think that would not have made a difference.

And as far as the IVF YES people only do it for selfish reasons. And yes, even I had my child for a selfish reason at the time because I wanted a child that looked like my husband and I, without thinking of what any outcome would be for my child. Why do you think I can recognize it in others???

I am confused. So you admit that people that give birth are equally selfish as people who use IVF? If so then we agree.
If you are saying that just because you didn’t think about the child means everyone doesn’t think about the future child then I know you are mistaken. I don’t think you can recognize everything in others, especially when you don’t even know the people.

And it's not judging ANYTHING by saying that people doing IVF are thinking of themselves (I am not thinking about people's "goodness" or Religion) it's just a FACT of life.

Just because you only thought about yourself, doesn’t mean that’s what everyone does. And yes it still is judging, because you don’t know what they are thinking.

No, I do not know what it's like not to be able to conceive. But if I did and I grieved over it, I would only be thinking of myself.

That’s so easy to say. You’re sounding like the pro-lifers do when they tell everyone it’s so easy to carry the fetus then give the child up for adoption or raise it. You have no idea what you’d feel or do, and you never will.

I'm sorry you cannot have children. Maybe it's happened for a reason.
Where did you get that from? I never said that. I donno if I can or cant because I never tried. Maybe people who were born through IVF happened for a reason too.
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