R2R, I did not post to argue, but to give some facts, in response to someones inquiry. This is the process of learning and growing together. That all shall be One. It is not a matter of waivering or compromise. Also, I offered information from the prospective of a post-Vatican II Catholic. Your references refer to the old ways. I am not here to "convince" anyone of anything. I honor your and everyone else's beliefs/path.