Re: Skewed muddled thinking throughout, makes no persuasive case

Hello,
I am new to this site so pardon my inablity to get this message submitted. I found this conversation very interesting. One thing I became aware of is that if you have read the book, The No Grain Diet, you must have missed details of each of the 3 phases. The diet is designed to help you become healthy by losing weight, stabilizing your insulin response (reason for not eating grains, sugars, starchy veggies and fruits in the Stabilize Phase) and then show you how to maintain your health.

The Start Up phase helps to to decrease grains, sugar, fruit and starchy veggies, the Stabilize phase you are restricted from sugar, fruits, starchs and grains to get your body to respond properly to food and the Sustain phase is designed to help you retain your health and weight loss and to re-introduce those grains, fruits and sugars that will not put you back where you were prior to the diet.

In the Sustain phase you are able to re-introduce moderate amounts of healthy grains (millet, oats, quinoa, rice, teff, amaranth, and buckwheat) that do not play havoc with your insulin response as much as other do. You are also allowed to re-introduce some of the starchy veggies, fruits and healthy sweetners (stevia and others). So you see that Dr Mercola is not against grains. At the risk of being redundant, the main goal of his diet is to get unhealthy/overweight people back on track so that their body can properly function. His diet does not permanately cut off or deprive you of grains, fruits and sweets. Mercola does not advocate soy unless it has been fermented (tempeh, miso, natto...) Mercola states you can add whey or rice protein to a shake, no soy.

He does endorse a fruit or veggie based shake called Super RX (does not create a radical insulin response) which I have been using until I buy a juicer and learn that process. It is like ragu, its (all nutrition except DHA and EFA) is in there. He advocates the use of Cod Liver oil to get those two nutrients without excessive consumption of fish that may contain mercury, etc... and no other vitamins other than vit K for those who may need it. His beliefs are pretty much parallel to those of some of the other fine people mentioned in the previous segments of this debate.

I think, if you are trying to be objective and researching all possible aspects of obtaining optimum health, you would carefully research all the information you find and keep your mind open until you are convinced it is factual. No one source will have all of the answers, that is why there are links from each of the mentioned sites to other informative sites.

As a matter of fact, Dr Mercola's website has a commentary that praises the view of Price. I get the sense that they are comrades in their philosophy, not opposers. Also, if you read Prescott's book reviews, he gives The No Grain Diet a thumbs up with 2 minor exceptions: 1. Prescott feels Mercola is wrong about
eggs. Prescott feels it is ok to cook
yolks and white together (scramble)
2. Prescott feels that Mercola should warn people
that tarmari sause contains MSG.

I would like to note that I have tarmari sauce that is Mono-Sodium-Glutamat (Natrium Glutamat) free and Mercola probably figured it was a given that you should by organic tamari (he stresses organic), most of which is Mono-Sodium-Glutamat (Natrium Glutamat) free.

I feel that they all have a lot of good information and a lot of the info from one co-insides with the others. There are points of disagreement, but they seem to be fairly minute. It reminds me of a saying by a pretty smart guy:

"The IMPORTANT thing is to NEVER stop questioning..."
Albert Einstein

The "facts" aways change with increased knowledge.I hope this has been provocative and taken in the context in which it was ment to be taken: stay open minded, be flexible and continue to do your research throughly.
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Hello,
I am new to this site so pardon my candid response. I found this conversation very interesting. One thing I became aware of is that if you have read the book, The No Grain Diet, you must have missed details of each of the 3 phases. The diet is designed to help you become healthy by losing weight, stabilizing your insulin response (reason for not eating grains, sugars, starchy veggies and fruits in the Stabilize Phase) and then show you how to maintain your health. The Start Up phase helps to to decrease grains, Sugar and starchy veggies, the Stabilize phase you are very restricted from sugar, fruits, starchs and grains to get your body to respond properly to food and the Sustain phase is designed to help you retain your health and weight loss.

In the Sustain phase you are able to re-introduce moderate amounts of healthy grains (millet, oats, quinoa, rice, teff, amaranth, and buckwheat) that do not play havoc with your insulin response. You are also allowed to re-introduce some of the starchy veggies, fruits and healthy sweetners (stevia and others) So you see that Dr Mercola is not against grains. The main goal of his diet is to get unhealthy/overweight people back on track so that their body can properly function. His diet does not permanately cut off or deprive you of grains, fruits and sweets. Mercola does not advocate soy unless it has been fermented (tempeh, miso, natto...) Mercola states you can add whey or rice protein to a shake, no soy. He does endorse a shake called Super RX (berry or green) which I take until I buy a juicer and learn that process. It is like ragu, its (all nutrition except DHA and EFA) is in there. He advocates the use of Cod Liver oil to get those two nutrients without excessive consumption of fish that may contain mercury, etc... and no other vitamins other than vit K for those who may need it. His beliefs are pretty much parallel to those of Prescott.

I think, if you are trying to be subjective and researching all possilble aspects of obtaining optimum health, you would carefully research all the information you find and keep your mind open until you are convinced it is factual. No one source will have all of the answers, that is why there are links from each of the mentioned sites to other informative sites.

As a matter of fact, Dr Mercola's website has a link to Dr Prescotts site. I get the sense that they are comrades in their philosophy, not opposers. Mercola has articles on his website praising Prescott and if you read Prescott's book review, he gives Dr Mercola's No Grain Diet a thumbs up with 2 minor exceptions: 1. Prescott feels Mercola is wrong about
eggs. Prescott feels it is ok to cook
yolks and white together (scramble)
2. Prescott feels that Mercola should warn people
that tarmari sause contains MSG.

I would like to note that I have tarmari sauce that is Mono-Sodium-Glutamat (Natrium Glutamat) free and Mercola probably figured it was a given that you should by organic tamari (he stresses organic), most of which is MSG free.

So, I think this debate on which information is the best is a little off as it seems that some people either not have read the information throughly or they possibly tend to feel only one of the good people can be right. I feel they both have a lot of good information and a lot of the info from one co-insides with the others. There are points of disagreement, but they seem to be fairly minute. It reminds me of a saying by a pretty smart guy:
"The IMPORTANT thing is to NEVER stop questioning..."
Albert Einstein
I hope this has been provocative and taken in the context in which it was ment to be: stay open minded and continue to do your research throughly. Facts aways change with increased knowledge. Tweet