We actually agree on something Wheelslip . That life begins at conception, but you are contradicting yourself here...if life does begin at conception as we both believe...then the taking of that life is murder no matter how you want to get around it. I wish you would have talked your daughter into keeping the child because once she had the baby she wouldn't take anything for that precious child. Believe me i know, my oldest Stepsons wife (girlfriend then )wanted her to have an abortion ( she already had 3 kids from a previous marrage), but she said no ( Thank you Lord) and i can tell you he is madly in love with that little girl as is everybody especially Mamma and Papa :) She has brought so much joy in our lives that i wonder how we ever did without her. She is 2 years old now and we sit and watch Sesame Street together all the time.