Im sure those intersested in Rational Recovery have read the articles and realize is costs! I can see the attempt to persuade others to your point of view is paramount in your posting and a specil forum was created for this one sided approach to examining this issue! Let us who want to research these issue in thier own manner do so with out the dogma of the prattling AAers trying to discourage everything that doenst fall under the tenet of of AA! I will not persue this issue but I do wish you would respect the purpose of this forum and post in a supporting manner!