Shadow I can see you dont realise that this forum is a support forum for alernative help for alcohol addiction not a springboard for AA! If you want to promote AA and its tenets you have a whole forum to do so!(check link below) Your welcome to post here but not to disrespect other"s posts and their contents of those lookin for alternatives! Please keep your condescention to these alterntives to postings on the AA forum so others can research the alternatives offered here! Thank you! Chaz