Re: The rings of Saturn,
"Understanding that evolution was the vehicle for the current state of things, does not necesitate that life came from non-life and chaos produces non information."
But Darwin's theory of evolution is what made atheists everywhere jump up and down for joy because it gave them a way to rationalize their existence without the necessity of God (a first cause)...which is basically the whole point of this forum when you break it down. You evolutionary athiests, along with many in the scientific community, are still digging, scratching, scouring, begging, pleading and dreaming up ways for this to be true. It's almost like a sick obsession to disprove God...and when they can't come up with anything concrete to back up their Godless agenda they just throw something ridiculous out to make news to stoke the fire of lies burning in the hearts and minds of the utterly uninformed -- of which I used to be one.
"If you want to start a forum about what came before the big bang, than do it, but its not relavent here."
For the reason I just mentioned, it is very relevant here, because that is THE mission of many -- to disprove God. And besides, you didn't address the other points I brought up which ARE on topic: Randomness producing fine-tuning, chaos producing information, unconciousness producing conciousness and non-reason producing reason. You people simply cherry picked one or two of my statements, then insisted that the post doesn't belong here. Translation: you want it put it somewhere you won't have to look at it.
And by the way, I find it highly ironic how accutely aware (and sensitive) many people are of the posting rules here at Curezone, yet in real life they've lived their existence trying to do nothing but overturn and reverse every good rule, law and moral code there is. S