Re: All Israel Will Be Saved

lets apply some logic to this, shall we? i believe logic to be a godly trait.

everybody cringes or revels in this scenerio whereby a person has died and didnt say the magic words or took a stand as an atheist or whatever but is now confronted with a new set of facts that they do live forever and god is about to judge them. dont you think that person would like a second chance? that person would very readily say magic words, jump through hoops, give all they had to the poor, etc, etc, etc. right? everybody wants to live forever, right?

well, i dont think thats true. it has been well established that a person cannot earn their salvation. why is that? its true just like no one earns being born. you cant do anything about it. boom - you have life. and its free.

so there is nothing a person can do to save themselves. you cant earn salvation. but you can kill yourself. you can earn damnation.

the lord will not interfere with free will. judas, for example. do you think he is an israelite who will be saved? or did he choose not to? or is it simply that his salvation will be of a lesser status? you know, the least will be greatest and the so forth?

i dont know why youre asking this. the lord doesnt deal with groups, he deals with individuals. i think what paul was saying was that the lord had not written off the israelites to let the romans know he wasnt a fair weather god or wishy washy about his commitments.

so, if youre not trying to trap me again so you can call me a jew hater then lets proceed.

basically, youre out of context, so lets add some context:
Romans 11Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

11 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying, 3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life. 4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. 5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

like i said, he doesnt deal in groups. and he is no respector of persons. he has a remnant. its based upon each individuals works.

works. thats what i hate most about christianity is the harm they do to regular folk. even if they dont want to join up for salvation, christians plant the seed in their prospects that they are all worthless sinners and there is nothing they can do about it. and yet they are the ones who will be judged according to their works.

remember, those in christ only sleep. the dead are the wicked who have died in the sins:

Revelation 20
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

judged according to their works. how cruel christianity is. and what excuses they have produced in their wickedness and their folly. how many of those will be able to point to some hypocrite who they couldnt stand and who told them god said they were hopeless sinners who were born in sin and automatically condemned!!!????

its hideous.