Re: Andrew Basiago Interview (The Turiya Files) 3/1/2015 2239911

John B: Alright. Andrew Basiago, when we paused a moment ago… Do you want to just make a clarification on the Fulbright violation, or the citizenship violation?

Andrew D Basiago: Right, it is convoluted. And it involves basically the President being caught between a rock & a hard place… If he, as I believe, because he was identifying himself as an Indonesian national to me, attending Occidental College as a foreign student. If he, in fact, applied for funding from the Fulbright Program, which is a U.S. Educational Loan Program enacted by Congress, as a foreign national and was an American, he committed federal loan fraud.

So, his defense from that charge would be, “Well, wait a minute, man, I was an Indonesian. I was entitled under the enabling legislation for the Fulbright Program because I was either a foreign undergraduate, or an American graduate student who would be traveling overseas to study. But then if he does that, if he chooses that defense against an impeachable offense, namely federal loan fraud, which is a felony – a high crime or misdermernor under the Impeachment Clause, he then disqualifies himself as being a Naturally Born American under Article Two, which is the necessary qualification to be President. So, that is why they can not release his Occidental academic records, because they readily show, for example, your place of birth, your nationality, there’s going to be information about loans received. Even if the word ‘Fulbright’ is on his undergraduate record, because undergraduate American students can not receive Fulbright funding.

The word ‘Fulbright’ on his academic record would mean that the President could be impeached for the high crime or misdemeanor of federal loan fraud. But his defense, that being was he was an Indonesian, would in turn disqualify from being an American under Article Two.

So, that’s the interlocking dichotomy that I was trying to articulate. Its somewhat convoluted, but because of that fact, they can’t release his academic records. Now, think what could be in academic records: The basic information about yourself, maybe your academic loan history, any disciplinary history, and then your classes & grades.

Nobody has ever alleged that the President did anything else, in the nature of a misdemeanor or a felony while enrolled at Occidental. It doesn’t look like he was in any kind of drug or alcohol diversion program. It doesn’t mean he was a terrible student. He wasn’t really an ‘A’ student. But then, not all of our Presidents have been, I mean, how many books did Abraham Lincoln even read before becoming President?

Some of our Presidents have been very well educated in areas, but some have just been from the common citizenry. And the person has not been necessarily very academically gifted – look at, let’s say, Lyndon Johnson. He certainly didn’t have the mind that John Kennedy had, in terms of his grasp of history, and a real seriousness about learning.

Okay, so I can’t imagine anything that would be in the President’s academic history from Occidental that they would want to conceal, unless it was necessary to conceal to protect his Presidency. And, in light of the fact that he identified himself to me as an Indonesian, as a foreign student at Occidental, that I believe is what has happened. And that would explain why he so…

And, you asked, who has done this, who’s concealed his academic history?

He has, with the duplicity of his college. And the strange thing when I tracked this in the newspapers is that several years ago, the President of Occidental College stated that he was enrolled as “Barry Obama”. Well, if that’s the case, why did he introduce himself to me, in the Summer of ’81, when he had just done a year at Occidental as “Barry Soetoro”. And what do we make of the claim of attorney Steven Pidgeon [video] in Washington State, that the President changed his name to Barack Hussein Obama on October 14th 1982, before a Common Law Court in the Province of British Columbia, Canada, and didn’t change from Barry Soetoro to Barack Obama, but from Barack Muneer Ubayd to Barack Hussein Obama. Could that have been related to his work with the CIA? And their use of him to travel to Pakistan at the time that there was State Department travel ban forbidding Americans from traveling to Pakistan.

My point is that what the Obama Administration has been concealing is the period during his college when he joined the CIA. I ended up not doing espionage for CIA, I ended not transferring to Columbia in the Fall of ’81. I wasn’t sent to Poland, although with a mustache I might look like Lech Walesa's nephew. I ended up just working for the CIA in the Jump Room Program, but so did the President. And this is what the Birther Movement doesn’t want to confront, as if its too “Buck Rogers” or something.

Well, wait a minute, as I said at the outset of the show, this government has spent trillions of dollars involved in classified Defense work of a very advanced esoteric nature. In fact, I’d like to say that they’re willing to spend billions of dollars on things like the Mars Rover Program to conceal trillion dollar programs – like the fact that by the late ‘70s they had Space Elevators that they could use to send somebody from Earth to another planet, so long as that the environment was hospitable when they got there.

John B: Who set up the bases on Mars, Andrew? And how long ago?

Andrew D Basiago: I learned in my research – I’ve been investigating my childhood time-travel experiences & my college Jump Room experiences since 2000. And I learned that the Jump Room Program was a joint venture between the Ralf M Parsons Co. near Pasadena – my father’s employer – and Lockheed Skunkworks of Burbank, CA, the employer of my fellow U.S. Chrononaut, William B Stillings. A man by the name of Thomas J Stillings, who like I, had graduated from a naval post-graduate school seminar. I attended one ancillary to my course of studies in history when I was at UCLA.

In any case, the Jump Room Program was a joint venture of those two leading Defense Contractors. Parsons is one of the leading & largest & most accomplished Process Engineering Companies in the world. And Lockheed is one of our more ‘nuts & bolts’ leading aerospace companies.

John B: Oh yeah, their always making crazy stuff – its great.

Andrew D Basiago: Oh, absolutely. When the CEO, Ben Johnson(?), when the last major CEO of Lockheed died several years ago, he gave an interview, in which he stated: “Anything you imagine that we could have built, we have built. We now have the technology to take ET home.” Well, that was said almost 30 years after the Jump Rooms were developed.

So, if this seems like science fictions, consider that statement by the former CEO of the very company that worked with Parsons of Pasadena to develop the Jump Rooms.

John B: Well, let me ask you this, Andrew… People are frequently saying that they don’t believe that we went to the Moon at all, did we? And then recently, there was something about, “We’re actually able to pass through all three Van Allen Radiation Belts…

Andrew D Basiago: Well, let me tell you what Buzz Aldrin said, because Brett Stillings & I were camping at the campground on the north shore of Lake Siskiyou within close visual proximity of beautiful Mount Shasta in the days of the weekend leading up to when we were placed in the training program under Ed Dames at College of the Siskiyous that Barack Obama, Regina Dugan & others were enrolled in.

And precisely at 1 o’clock on Sunday, our fathers stood up in the campsite & began walking diagonally across the campgrounds. Brett Stillings & I ran ahead our dads, and entered the campsite that they were walking to, we could see visually that they were walking to, first. And we were greeted between a camper & an automobile by somebody we recognized – somebody we recognized from our childhood, as youngsters during the ‘60s, during the Lunar Landing, as Edwin Eugene Aldrin Jr., namely Buzz Aldrin – the second man to walk on the Moon.

And he shook our hands saying, “Andy, Brett, please to meet you, fellows. Well, let me tell you, you are going to be doing something that I did a few years back, and that is go off planet. And let me tell you boys, its going to be an experience of a lifetime.” And then, by then, our fathers had joined the three of us.

Now, in order for the Lunar Landing to have been faked, or to not have happened, Buzz Aldrin had to be so circumspect about always lying, that he would have misinformed several teenagers from Southern California upon meeting them, at the campground at Lake Siskiyou, knowing that the next morning they were going to be dropped in a class to be prepared to go to Mars. And since we did go to Mars, and I can personally testify to that fact, and I know what happened. And after I came forward publicly, I was joined, and my facts & my claims were corroborated by my fellow Jumpers, William P Stillings & Bernard Mendez.

We haven’t even approached Regina Dugan, yet. We’ve had a denial from the President, even though our account could have been dismissed as a conspiracy theory. And I have now have identified 17 people who served in the Jump Room Program.

On one Jump, I went to Mars with Bernard Mendez & Regina, with another Eisenhower – not Laura, but her aunt, Mary Jean Eisenhower. And when I asked her her name before the Jump, I said, “Are you descendent from President Eisenhower & Mamie Eisenhower? And she said, “Yep, the one & only.”

Mary Jean is a pretty exceptional person. She went on to be the President of the People to People Ambassadors Program that her grandfather founded.

Another individual that Bernard Mendez & I met on the surface of Mars was Admiral Stansfield Turner, who had just served as Jimmy Carter’s Director of Central Intelligence.

So, there were prominent people involved with this. But my point about the Lunar Landing is for Buzz Aldrin to have been lying all these years, he would have to keep his demeanor up & continue to lie to two teenagers that he knew were just going to be sent to Mars.

And so, look, jumping to the Moon in a rocket is child’s play compared to teleporting somebody millions & millions & millions of miles to another moving object out there called Mars. So sure, we went to the Moon. My own dad showed me the Lunar Landing schematics when he was teaching me to read – I had a learning disability – and he taught me how to read when he would come home from work each night. At that point, I guess he had already had gone to Parsons. But he was originally scheduled to work on the instrumentation for the Lunar Module. And he showed me the schematics that were labeled “Lunar Landing Assembly Process”, that showed the LAM [Lunar Ascent Module(?)] being extruded out of the back of the Command Module & then turning around & being put on the front of the Command Module. And then being brought towards the surface, then landing on the surface, like a little mosquito, as my dad described it, on its landing gear.

So, what would they have been wasting millions of dollars preparing Parsons personnel to do the instrumentation, if it wasn’t a real Landing program. I’m not buying it. My dad certainly knew it was a real Landing Program, because he had undergone the FBI background investigation to work on the instrumentation. And then it went to, I think the bid went to Gruman rather than Parsons, and he was very disappointed that he didn’t have that opportunity on the LAM.

John B: Didn’t Buzz take a swing at somebody for suggesting that it never happened?

And, I know the feeling. Everyday on Facebook, I am called a liar, or a crank, or a kook, or somebody perpetrating a hoax for commercial purposes by individuals who weren’t even born when I was time-traveling. Some of them weren’t even born when I was going to Mars. Where is the respect, where is the respect for accomplishment. Why don’t we have the standing, to be able to be recognized for what we did for our country… as President Kennedy asked us to do: “Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.”

Well, I’m still defending what I did for my country 30-40 years ago, because this government is addicted to secrecy.

Because the America that we were suppose to become… the NASA that was suppose to result – the primary mission that NASA was given in its 1958 enabling legislation was to foster the expansion the human knowledge of space. Well, how can they do that, when they’re even covering up our space programs.

John B: That’s a good question… Let me ask you this, you know this fellow, Richard Hoagland, I’ve spoken with many times… All these photographs that there is & he’s saying, “Look at this, this doesn’t look real, this looks like a can, and this over there looks like apartments, and this looks like a grill off of somebody’s window, or their air conditioning unit, or something like that – I’m paraphrasing a little, but not much… So what happened up there? It looked like something bad happened…

Andrew D Basiago: Well Richard has been a huge critique of mine, because I came along in 2008 & stole his thunder by publishing the first written work to show images of humanoid & animal life forms, including the first pictures from another planet to show humanoid beings – not from Earth, or on Earth.

But he has done a lot of legitimate research over the years, and I think wouldn’t be citing him out of class, as it were, if I said that based on an email that he wrote to Alfred Lambremont Webre & Robert Morningstar – Richard Hoagland’s view of Mars is that it’s a vast muddy wasteland that once harbored an advance civilization.

That’s not the case. Mars is inhabited with five different types of humanoids. And there are already American & personnel from other countries that have colonized Mars & are living there. But we were going there when the Jump Room facilities were there, but there weren’t large colony buildings.

But he’s right, there’s a lot of debris in the mud. It is a vast muddy wasteland, but the problem is it’s a vast muddy wasteland in which several humanoid species, about 30 major land animals & some vegetation survived, where the indigenous Martian moved primarily underground. And yet, we have pictures. My research organization that I founded in 2008 – the Mars Anomaly Research Society or MARS, has found numerous details showing the humanoid & animal presence on Mars, the ancient artifacts. Its really… the sci-fi element is not that there’s life there, its not there are humans from Earth there, having taken either advanced space planes, as Randy Cramer did. Or, the Jump Room, as those of us who went earlier did. The real amazing story about Mars is it looks like a fantastic conception that would be difficult to imagine – a Bradbury, a Heinlein, or a Clark – about the business of populating our imagination with what Mars might be like.

Its really quite fascinating. Its basically a desert planet, that is as Hoagland states – “a vast muddy wasteland.” But its an inhabited wasteland, it’s a desert. And it was much richer in antiquity, there is debris from advanced facilities on the surface that NASA is showing. But they’re not showing the Jump Room facilities that I saw, that in fact, I was received by on the surface. And the colony buildings that others claim are now on the surface.

John B: What about all these photographs is like Mars is the ‘Red Planet’? Okay, great! And so the first images that we saw… well the most recent color images with the Rover up there & all. Its like. “Oh look, its all pink, its red just like they say it’s the ‘Red Planet’.” And then the later ones, “Well no, it looks more like New Mexico.” So what color is it?

Andrew D Basiago: Well, in fact, what NASA has been doing since Viking is turning up the red. Remember the original Viking image, it looked like a color photograph that somebody had spilled their tomato soup on at lunch. It looked like they had taken a tissue or a sponge and spread red pigment over the whole picture, so that it wasn’t the Red, White & Blue flag on the side of the Viking. It was the Orange, Beige & Purple. And the sky looked redish. They have simply been manipulating the color. And I think their goal there is to conceal the fact that Mars has a blue sky.

We know from simple high school & college atmospheric studies that the reason the sky is blue is because the atmosphere possesses oxygen, and oxygen is a clear gas that refracts blue. So the reason for the color cover-up with Mars is that they are concealing the blue sky. And I claimed that the Mars I visited had a blue sky, before researchers in the Mars Anomaly Research Community uncovered untouched photographs from NASA that showed the blue sky. It looks like a desert with a sort of a baby-blue sky, sort of like the Arizona desert where there’s some inversion in the morning – you got a little bit of cloud cover that’s making a little bit less cerulean blue than it can be at high noon.

John B: What would be the harm in us knowing that it had a blue-ish sky?

Andrew D Basiago: That would indicate that it has oxygen in its atmosphere, which they’ve also been lying about, and hence that it could be inhabited & we could go to it. Now, in terms of the rest of the planet, its not uniformly rust red, although it is rust red in many places, or in a significant amount of its terrain, because of the presence of iron oxides in its soil, stemming from the Solar System catastrophe that devastated Mars around 11,500 years ago, which also battered Earth.

So, it is rich in iron & is rusting, but it doesn’t all look the red-rust soil that we find, let’s say, around Sedona, Arizona. There are stretches of Mars that have beige colored soil, more of a darker brown soil, like petrified wood, and a sort of salmon colored soil, like a clay that’s been bleached by water, which would have occurred during one of the floods that followed the catastrophe.

So, they’re concealing, really, a couple things: One is that we’re living in the second civilization on Earth, and the first civilization reached Mars. That Mars was inhabited in antiquity. That the level of development in the first civilization on Earth was advanced enough to reach Mars, and it reached Mars.

My research organization, MARS, has found, for example, the intaglio of the face of a pharaoh on a rock or piece of metal that was photographed by the Rover Spirit, in 2012. And so, they’re also concealing the fact that Mars has oxygen, which means, not only that it can have, and does have, an indigenous biosphere. The oxygen, by the way, according Courtney Hunt of the CIA, he told me that the oxygen is leaching from the lithosphere – namely the rocks on Mars. Many of which could be igneous, that is to say, fire-formed as a result of the Solar System catastrophe – whatever it was pummeled by from space.

And I would recommend Graham Hancock’s excellent work, The Mars Mystery to explore the event that damaged Mars so severely in antiquity. But the oxygen is seeping from its rocks & its underground. And, Mars is oxygen-dense enough to support several hours of locomotion on the surface by a healthy young human being. I was certainly in peak physical fitness when I was age 19-22.

John B: You don’t need a suit?

Andrew D Basiago: We had our street clothes & given a respirator & I was able to dispense with using the respirator, and I was able to breathe on the surface. And we had no specialized clothing, we could wear our street clothes.

John B: Now, Andrew, man, listen now. You realize this is going to be quite a large dose for people to take.

Andrew D Basiago: Well, here’s the problem, John. Its just my karma. I was… for some reason, in this lifetime, I was given a set of life events that required, that I not only be courageous, but I stand my ground & speak the truth. That’s all I can do.

I know that some aspects of these accounts may strain people’s credulity, because in the case… I know where you’re going with this… You’re saying that the science data says that there’s insufficient oxygen… That there’s only 8 millibars of pressure on Mars, that its so cold or hot that you would have been turned into an icicle or incinerated. The problem…

John B: I’m not really saying that. I not saying that I don’t believe. I’m just saying, “Wow”, for some people they’re going go “Bravo Sierra, get the bleep out of here, shut-up,” you know, they’re going to do all of that.

Andrew D Basiago: I know, but the problem is that… Look, our position is that we were trained to go to Mars, that the program believed we were going to Mars, and we went to where they were sending. There’s always the problem of error. I mean, how do we know that the footage from the Moon isn’t from a planetoid that’s on the backside of the Moon.

John B: That’s the most annoying part, we don’t know anything to absolutely, completely true.

Andrew D Basiago: We only know Abraham Lincoln existed through pictures & literature, right.

John B: That’s right.

Andrew D Basiago: Although, I saw him during my time-travel days. So, I’m able to say, yes, he existed. But most people have no way of knowing about him, except through the claims of others. So it is with our claims.

We’re sincere because we went, because we loved our country, our country asked us to do astonishing things, things that required danger, that required courage, we did so. And we simply now want to be paid. We weren’t paid.

I gave my country eight years of service for which I was not covered under the GI Bill, and didn’t even receive a salary. So we received no salary, no benefits. I wouldn’t have any academic debt if I had been covered by the GI Bill of Rights when I was in the program, and I wasn’t.

So, injustices occurred that need to be righted. But our overarching concern is simply to tell people what happened, so they have a proper reckoning of the history of the Space Program. It included a time-space component, and human beings have already been Mars. NASA has been lying to American people since its creation. There was a decision made inside the U.S. government in a multi-agency basis to use NASA as the overt agency that would identify relatively easily achievable goals that would be made public & we would achieve them to win the propaganda war with the Soviet Union & bolster the confidence of the people. Things like the Lunar Landing under NASA. Simultaneously, there would be a covert program – a Secret Space Program – under DARPA & CIA, ultimately it was placed entirely under CIA that would use more advance means to do more remarkable things in space. We’ve been placing personnel on Mars, first via rocketry by no later than 1964.

Why do I know that?

Because, when we were doing the Threat Assessment by reading the 4 inches of French Intelligence documents and drafting our hypothesis about whether the Martian humanoid civilization presented a threat to our human civilization on Earth, there was an anecdote that stated that in 1964, two American astronauts had landed on the surface of Mars via rocket & were languishing & that our government had contacted the Martian humanoid civilization – must have been using some advance form of radio – and the Martian humanoids had agreed to rescue our two personnel. Clearly, they were probably suffering, either they were injured, or they were suffering from exposure conditions out in the Martian desert, a lot of Mars is desert, most of it is desert. They agreed, but then the Martian humanoids, their government reneged on that promise.

So that account in the French dossier that we were given indicated that whatever we can say about the infamous claim that we landed on Mars in 1962 as reported in the BBC production “Alternative 3”. We were definitely there via rockets by 1964, that was 5 years before the Lunar Landing.

John B: Why do you reckon did they ever created NASA, or did you already answer this question, why it didn’t just stay with the Air Force, so you could have a sort of official PR firm out there, in the form of NASA, but behind the scenes, the Air Force is still actually running the true program? I guess that’s it.

Andrew D Basiago: Well, NASA is a military agency, its not strictly run by the Air Force, because remember, a lot of the astronauts have been former Navy fighter pilots & test pilots. Even the U.S. Chrononaut that I served with, William Cameron McCool, went on to become, after graduating from the Naval Academy in Anapolis, became a test pilot & then became a NASA astronaut & space shuttle pilot in 1996, when we were 35, and then died tragically on February 1 of 2003 as the pilot aboard Space Shuttle Columbia.

So, there’s also been a major Navy input into the Space Program. And NASA remains a military agency. I think the goal was to create an agency that would marshal the forces of the country, to think about space as an environment that we were now going to – like traveling under the world’s oceans. And that it would remain a military agency so that they could engage in peaceful activities in space, as well as military preparedness.

But there was always that military secrecy. And also the brainwashing of the astronauts & so forth that resulted from that secrecy-oriented military culture that ultimately is NASA. NASA is a military agency. And that’s one of the reasons that this cover-up has been perpetrated.

On the time-space side, on the side of the covert space program, involving time-space devices, like teleporters, Chronovisors and Jump Rooms. A lot of the space contractors that were tapped to build those devices were steeped to the billions of dollars in weapons development. I mean, Parsons, the very Defense contractor that gave the U.S. government time-travel, also developed the MX missile system for the U.S. military.

So, with those two inputs, you know, the personnel being former Air Force & Navy test pilots, and then the Defense contractors involved being weapons manufacturers, both the overt & the covert Space Programs under NASA & CIA, respectively, have been steeped in military secrecy.

John B: Yeah. Alright, now let me ask you this, let’s go back to Barry Soetoro. How did they pick this man, one more time. I mean, in other words, as far as your fellow Jumpers are concerned, what was… I presume they were all… the Intelligence Services gathered them together… your dad was a connected guy. And so, were all the of the people involved with this… surely that must be the answer to this. So, all the kids that were involved in the program had fathers or mothers, or both, that were connected people, and that’s how they were able to be pulled into this?

Andrew D Basiago: No, not all of them did. I mean, Willie McCool’s father was a college professor in Texas. They were looking for some people with certain traits. First, they wanted… now this, by the way, according to Bernard Mendez, who was somewhat older than us. I think our average age at initiation of training was 17. Bernard Mendez, when he joined us in 1980, was about 35, and maybe 30, definitely beyond college age. He explained to me that there were a set of traits that they wanted. They wanted high intelligence, because there might be technical training that we would master. The wanted people that were naturally inquisitive, so that we would explore the surface when we got there. They wanted people that were technically ingenious – remember, Aldrin got Armstrong & Aldrin off the Moon by jerry-rigging his hand control with a Bic pen, because it had broken & they were almost stranded in the Lunar Module on their Launch Pad on the Moon & they would have not been able to blast-off & go up to the Command Module.

So, they wanted people in childhood who had demonstrated enough technical ingenuity to improvise the repair of equipment, I could tell you a story or two about that in my life… certainly, that was trait that Brett possessed. They wanted cooperative type-B individuals, who wouldn’t, for example, run up the hill & say, “Look, I’m the king of the hill, I got here first!” They wanted people who would not compete, but cooperate, who had a love for nature, and had done a lot of camping in their childhood.

But then, there was also an odd trait, that he mentioned, they wanted to sellect people who possessed grandiosity. Now, I don’t know if they were using Chronovision to identify our illustrious lives in the future, or whether they were just looking for grandiosity as a psychological trait, because look at the 5 of the 10 that I’ve been able to identify. In addition to myself as a crusading lawyer, and public figure that is running for President. The others consist of…. I mean, Barry has become President, the first black President in American history.

John B: Well, half-black, anyway.

Andrew D Basiago: Well, he may be Javenese, but certainly the first person believed to be an African American to win the Presidency twice.

John B: Perfectly put.

Andrew D Basiago: Regina Dugan became the first woman to be appointed the Director of DARPA, which is a distinguished position, in & of itself. And then Willie became a NASA astronaut, and then Brett, of course, is a technical prodigy.

So, in looking for grandiosity, I don’t know whether they went forward, and said, “Well, lets pick these famous Americans from the future & involve them in this when they’re in their college years. Or, whether they just looking for grandiosity in our psychological profile, because they knew that they were sending us to another planet, so they wanted people who had a big enough view of themselves that they could buck-up & not crack-up a million miles from home.

John B: Let me ask you this. I’m a little confused here, was… I mean, you’ve expressed a great deal of admiration for our President. I don’t share any admiration for him at all, because I am very suspicious of his origins, his backers, his upbringing, his indoctrination, his funders & everything else. I am also appalled at the things he has done to this country. I am not a supporter of this person. And I can tell you that he may be… people say, POTUS, President of the United States. I’m thinking its more like PUTO & that would be President Under Title Only. But apart from that, so which is it, this person was groomed to be President, or they looked into the future, determined that he had become President & thought, “Ahhh… Okay, here’s our guy.” I mean, I playing devils-advocate, here. Because, just because somebody says something, it doesn’t mean I necessarily buy it, even though they may have the best of intentions. So, they’re looking you as crusading lawyer, and goes, “This guy has… he’s got a go get ‘em kind of attitude. So this is good.” I mean, I’m not connecting the dots, here.

Andrew D Basiago: Sorry, let me distinguish your set up first, because I don’t want to be misunderstood. I’m being true to what happened. I’m being to reality. All I was saying was that, if you look at the caliber of young persons selected, the Barry Soetoro that I knew was one of the better people I met during my college years. That’s all what I was saying. In fact, I also disagree with most of his decisions. I think he’s been a disastrous President, I’ve disagreed with virtually everything he’s done. On the one hand I’m a Washington Democrat, but I over the years, I sort of evolved into a progressive Libertarian, as Gerald Celente had recently put it. I tend to draw my political thinking from both the dissatisfied left & right – let’s say, on social justice & on taxation.

I do not approve of this President, and I am not a supporter of his. I was simply describing the caliber of college student that I met when I met him 34 years ago.

John B: That’s fair, and I’m glad you clarified it.

Andrew D Basiago: Actually 35 years ago, this August. But your question is a good one & it goes to speculation that’s been made about the Presidency itself. For example, the researcher, David Icke, has stated: “American Presidents are not elected by ballot, they’re selected by blood.” And then people have said that every President but Van Buren has been descended from John Lackland Plantagenet, the English King when the Magna Carta was signed in 1215. Well, that is tantamount to saying, if you go back 800 years, that every U.S. President has had some Western European blood. I understand those issues because I investigated my own ancestry.

So, let me say that David Icke is not correct. And in fact, even though we’ve been in possession of quantum access & hence the identification of future Presidents since the Nixon Administration, American Presidents are not identified by time-travel technologies & then selected, they are simply identified in the future as American Presidents. And what the government has been doing is involving those individuals as young men in CIA activities.

So, something nefarious has happened, but it doesn’t involve selecting the President based on blood, nor does it involve selecting the President based on seeing them in the future. It involves identifying them, utilizing quantum access, as future Presidents, and them involving them in the secret activities of the U.S. Intelligence community.

For example, they involved Bill Clinton in the anti-war movement in England, so he could spy on it. They then used him to look the other way when he was the governor of Arkansas, when they used the Mena airstrip in Mena, Arkansas for that illegal, unconstitutional Iran Contra re-supply network.

We’ve had a CIA President, namely George H W Bush & his son. In the case of Barack Obama, I mentioned the trip to Pakistan when it was illegal under the State Department ban on traveling to Pakistan in 1981.

That’s what’s been happening. They haven’t been engaged in ‘king-making’. They’ve been engaged in seeing who’s President in the future, then apprising them of their Presidency decades in advance, working with them to either give them additional training or capability as individuals, or to compromise them in criminal activities so they can be manipulated when in office. And then, they themselves have stood for election & won. But in the case of George W Bush, William J Clinton & Barack H Obama – those three men ran, knowing decades in advance they were the winner.

So, another untoward effect that has occurred, here, which is contrary to the Constitutional protocol, by which we are endowed with the right to sellect our leader. And that the winners of a Presidential elections now know who they are & hence, when they announce for running for the Presidency, they have a winners confidence.

For example, I haven’t announced yet, but I know at some point in my life I serve as President. I was not told that I would win the 2016 election, or any specific election. I was just informed that I was destined to be President some day.

So, that’s what’s been happening. They have been identifying, from their ability to “tap” the future who becomes President & they brief them on that fact, and give them at a minimum some specialized training, and sometimes it looks like they try to compromise them in their illegal activities.

The American people have a right to know that, because we have a right to the proper functioning of our Constitution. That is to say, the Framers of the Constitution could not have anticipated that the way in which the President is selected would be influenced in an untoward way by time-travel having emerged 200 years after the founding of the country.

John B: Well, you know time-travel is not that much of a stretch, considering everything that has happened, and so forth, and technology being… I thought it was thirty [years]… and people that I would talk to during the course of many programs convinced me that I should probably raise it another ten years… so I began to embrace 40 [years advanced]… And then, I recently spoke with someone & he said, “Oh, no, no, no, no, no… its like thousands of years beyond where you think it is… where you think it is, now, its actually thousands of years…

Andrew D Basiago: Well, we have evidence how the high Egyptian got to Mars, but we’ve retrieved, literally, the fingerprint of their civilization on Mars. Its conceivable that some of those hyroglyfs that show individuals essentially leaping between two columns, which may have been their teleporters.

John B: Is that amazing. I mean, it really is. There are all sorts of clues left around, and people go “Oh, that’s interesting.” We don’t really know how interesting it truly is. Its absolutely amazing…

Did you meet some of the indigenous population of the ‘Red’ planet, Mars.

Andrew D Basiago: Yes, and again, this is the sporadic nature of service in secret Defense projects, or Defense technical projects, that give each us sort of an incomplete exposure to the essential data. Let me first describe the five types...

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Andrew D Basiago Interview Part 3
2/12/2015

Part3

The Second Type: Indigenous Martians,
I call them "homo martis martis", for Martian Man on Mars,
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"They are smaller than us, they have spindler bodies, longer heads, pointier heads, pointier ears, more jagged teeth & a kind of a shy or recondite, almost a paranoid kind of personality."

Andrew D Basiago: There are five types of Martian humanoids:
The first type are the descendents of our Earthling presence on Mars that was put there before the catastrophe – 11,500 years ago. They’re basically our genetic cousins. They look like us. But on average, as to the man or woman, they look a little bit more homely than us, because they’ve been breeding in a much smaller breeding colony – much smaller gene pool, of about a million. And they’re also homely because they & they’re ancestors have lived underground, for 10 millenia – for over ten thousand years. So, they’re very pasty faced, with no melanin in their skin.

Curiously, this Earthling-like Martian humanoid, that I call “homo martis terris”, or Earth man on Mars, looks a lot alike different characters that have cropped up during the post-War era in American films & on American television. I would cite individuals like Uncle Festus on the Adams Family – the Jackie Cougan character. Individuals like Dr Evil, as played by Mike Meyers in the Austin Powers films. Zippy the pinhead in the cartoons, yeah Zippy the Pinhead is a Martian, at least he is a media proxy for the Martian humanoids that are literally our genetic cousins. And unless something caused their DNA to mutate during those 11,500 years separated from our planet, and whatever period their ancestors were breeding in isolation from their home planet, here.

I believe that they could probably breed with contemporary humans. If individuals from distant locations on Earth who’s gametes haven’t resulted in a fertilization in ten thousand years can do so, often producing very healthy offspring, or very capable offspring, I think we even may be able to reproduce with those Martians. There are basically a racial group within the homo sapiens sapiens population.
John B: How do they live? What do they eat? Where do they grow their food? I mean, how do they sustain themselves?

Andrew D Basiago:
They live as an underground civilization, that involves outfitting these cavern-like, interstitial openings inside the Martian surface where they will tile it & they’ll make these elegant paisley-shaped & sort of fanciful token-esque types of roofs from canyon to canyon. Then they situate their advanced technology within that contest. Imagine a civilization that evolved for ten thousand years in underground retro-fitted caverns, like the Carlsbad Caverns in New Mexico, where you’ve got the natural environment preserved – in the case of Carlsbad, the stalactites & the stalagmites. But you’ve got tiled floors, computer consoles, bathrooms & pneumatically assisted elevators & things like that.

So that’s the first type. They look like us. And certainly, if one of the men was dressed in an Armani suit walking down 5th Avenue in NYC, somebody might think its Telly Savalas, but not ever realize it’s a Martian.

The second type are the indigenous Martians that were there when we got there in antiquity. I call them homo martis martis for Martian Man on Mars. They are the ones that led to the understanding on Earth of what a Martian is. They are smaller than us, they have spindler bodies, longer heads, pointier heads, pointier ears, more jagged teeth & a kind of a shy or recondite, almost a paranoid kind of personality. They are very wary around Earth humans. They will occasionally kill & barbecue an Earth human. They are so psychically gifted that they can communicate with us utilizing telepathy. The Martian humanoids that are related to us can speak perfect unaccented English, so they must be monitoring our broadcasts.

The third type are a branch of the Gray ETs that are terrestrial. They look like a cross between a tall Gray & a lemur.

And the fourth type are tiny little humanoids that burrow in the surface. They were discovered in the NASA data by Dave Beamer.

And then there are Sasquatch on Mars, but they’re smaller than the Sasquatch that have been reported, for example, in the Pacific Northwest. They’re not 8 or 9 feet tall, they are 5 or 6 feet tall.
Now, when did I meet them?

I only met the first three types. I met three of the first type – the homo martis teris – the Earthling type at Curtiss-Wright in the Summer of 1970 as they were leaving an aerospace liaison mission with our personnel. And they had a brief discussion with my father. I personally met one of the second type – the true Matian type – when he greeted Courtney Hunt & I at the front of the Jump Room facility called “The Corkscrew”. We called it that because it kind of had a conch shell design. And as we exited the “Corkscrew” on one of our missions at dusk, I looked up & saw one of these homo martis extraterrestrialis, as I call it, up on the roof. And I yelled Court, Brett! – A gray on the roof observing us. I’ve never seen the small ones, nor the Sasquatch. And we have multi pictures of the Sasquatch that we’ve found in NASA’s data.

John B: You know, Andy, nobody has satisfactorily proved to me that this Sasquatch thing actually exists down here. I just say that I don’t care about Big-foot, when somebody finds one, conscious or unconscious, show it to me & then we’ll talk about it. But, I presume you believe they exist & you saw smaller ones. You actually saw smaller ones. Did you see them, or did you just learn that they existed?

Andrew D Basiago: To be sure, when I was on Mars, about 40 times, the only two Martian type pologies that I saw, was the indigenous Martian, namely the homo martis martis, when he greeted Courtney & I at the “Corkscrew”, and then I saw the gray-type, the homo maris extraterrestrialis, up on the top of the roof of the Jump Room. By the way, when I would go on my missions, those 30 missions that made up the bulk of my trips on Mars, and bring the computer disc, through the dilapidated brick city & give it to the telecommunications officer who had cobbled together a little, sort of, command post inside this gutted brick building on the surface.

When I would walk through that city, I would see both the adults & the children of that second typology. I remember the children looked almost like little Mongolian children in their full-body black caftans. They were exceptionally cute kids, but also bald like their parents. So, I had direct contact with the second typology, I had kind of a sighting of the third typology. I did not see any hairy bipedal hominids on Mars, but we have found numerous examples of them in the NASA Rover data. I, myself, found a Sasquatch-like creature on the Southern periphery of the Home Plate Plato, that is to say, the land beyond the Southern reaches of the Home Plate Plato in NASA Image #PIA11049. So, if any of your listeners would like to download that image from the internet & search for Sasquatch, I would invite them to do so. Its right there sitting on the hillside. It almost looks like one of those creatures in Maurice Cindex book, “Where the Wild Things Are.”

There is a homo martis sasquatchis, but I’m not sure that they’re directly related to the Sasquatches on Earth, because they’re smaller, and really don’t have any information of how intelligent they are, what kind of sound they make, and whether they have some of the Sasquatch on Earth.

Here on Earth, as somebody who has lawyered in Washington State for almost 20 years, I can tell you that Sasquatch exist. I mean, Skamania County, which is immediately west of Clark County, Washington, where Van Couver, Washington is one of the least populous counties in the entire country. But since 1850, its the county that has had the greatest number of Sasquatch sightings. In fact, two different Sasquatch were seen running from the eruption of Mount St Helens, by Washingtonians fleeing that event.

Sasquatch

I have spoken to numerous individuals in Washington & Idaho who have seen Sasquatch, including one Idaho family that went over a ridge & encountered four Sasquatch dining on a raw carcass of an elk that had just killed with their bare hands. Apparently, the Sasquatch will run into an animal or an elk & dine on it. So, their very capable creatures & I wouldn’t want to run into one in the woods. But I have no doubt that Sasquatch is a real species on Earth. We’re calling it the hairy bipedal hominid on Mars – homo martis sasquatis – simply because they look like little Sasquatch.

John B: You know I really want to ask you something about HAARP. What about this: what if these metallic particles are energized somehow by this billion watt transmitter to make this Earth into a giant antennae in furtherance of communication into the depths of space?

Andrew D Basiago: Or, what about the fact that it may have been used to teleport the Earth onto another timeline – just to bump it a little bit?

Let me tell you why I suspect that… I have provided the account publicly, going back to 2009, about how I did the first Chronoviser Probe that I was on in the future, we were taken up to ITT Defense Communications in Nutley, NJ, and there, there was a big Chronovisor array with the crystal array in the ceiling & we wore specialized time-space suits that we used - like deep-diving suits, sputter-coded in titanium, with a communications & a respiration capability inside the helmet.

We were fixed to stanchions on the stage before they turned the light on. And we went forward for about a half hour through wave after wave of interstellar material. And, with the result, we did a quick remote viewing of the Supreme Court building in Washington DC, we learned the next Monday in 2013. And, it was under about a hundred feet of brackish water. And I explained that I wasn’t predicting this was going to happen before 2013, for example, as a result of the predictions that would be made for 2012. Because when Chronovision to the past was still going on in mid-Summer of ’71, they shut it down, because they found that every time that they sent the same child, or another child, to the same past event, it changed a little bit.

So, to the extent that they did the probe to 2013 that Fall of ’71, I stated from the outset that it might have been another timeline where this global coastal flooding had happened by 2013. Well, in 2012 we know there was a solar flare & the only reason why it did not touch Earth is that we were 5 or 6 days away from a 1 degree rotation in Earth in space that would have put us directly in the path of that solar flare. And if that solar flare would have struck our planet, there would have been a mass incineration event that would have potentially killed a billion people. And would have probably raised the temperature of the planet sufficiently to create a global coastal flooding event, for example, by melting the polar ice caps.

We missed that event in 2012 by 1 degree.

John B: Wow. Keep going, Andrew, this is unbelievable.

Andrew D Basiago: Now, to the extent of how I described it when they kept on sending me to the Lincoln assassination, what happened to me there at that location was basically the same thing all the time, but with slight variations, like the man selling tickets at the front door of the lobby. The first time I went, he would be there by himself. And the second time they sent me, his son would be sitting next to him. And then, the third time his son would sell me the ticket. And the fourth time, his son would be there by himself, for whatever. So they were sending me to the same event in time-space, but with slight variation, maybe that was what happened with the global coastal flooding event.

Because we were not precisely within place, we were able, luckily, to avoid that mass disaster in 2012. But the future that they sent us with the Chronovisor displaced us onto an alternate timeline that was just a degree off, from the one that we would ultimately stay on, and happily not have to endure that event.

John B: I know that you might not know, but how would filling the atmosphere with metallic particles combined with the HAARP component further this moving us out of the way, ever so slightly by one degree, and miss this ridiculously huge flare?

Andrew D Basiago: I am guessing… speculating based on your premise of HAARP being used for a greater purpose. I think that its original purpose was to punch a hole in the ionosphere to release heat. That’s certainly the reason that the chemtrail spraying is ongoing… we can find right in Edward Teller’s paper from 1997-98 timeframe, which is to… the particles of aluminum & barium oxide are being sprayed in the troposphere to enhance the Albedo effect of the planet, which is the degree of reflectance of solar radiation back into space from natural deposits of sand & clouds & snow, to lower the temperature of the planet, to cool the planet, and prevent a catastrophic global warming event that could pitch us into a new ice age – sort of the Art Bell/Whitley Strieber premise of a coming global super storm, precipitated by a looming ice age, or a…

John B: I’m still trying to figure out how increased cold produces more heat, but okay.

Andrew D Basiago: Well, what actually happens is increased heath causes a greater melting of ice, which dilutes the world’s oceans, so they become less saline. So, there’s less transmission of equatorial warm water to cold polar water. And you have the poles freezing up, and glaciating farther south. In the same way your freezer, when it breaks down in the Summer, freezes up. Because you have a dilution effect, then followed by freezing.

John B: Okay. Alright, I’ll buy it for the moment. But now we have all these people coming forward, from the inventor of the weather channel, saying this global warming thing is the biggest bunch of hooey that’s ever been foisted on the world. Its just stupid, its not happening. Well, I mean, is it, or isn’t it?

Andrew D Basiago: Well, I can say this, because its really pointless to enter that debate, because it really doesn’t relate to time-travel, and then we can get back to HAARP. I can say that in the early ‘70s, the CIA was concerned that such an event would happen. I mean, I sat through a two day seminar about the coming ice age. And when they explained how it would happen, they explained how it would happen from the greenhouse effect – melting the polar ice caps, so the oceans became diluted & less saline, and the Gulf stream failed, and the poles freezed-up. We’re talking about a possibility that if that happened, in the Summer, there would then be a great melting right away, and mass flooding just during the Summer. The other possibilities, we would find large portions of the Northern Hemisphere, at least, under ice.

We can’t have that because two-thirds of humanity lives in the northern hemisphere, contrary to many peoples’ belief that the so-called developing world is over populated. In fact, it’s the northern hemisphere that’s over populated – the United States, Canada, China, Japan, Europe, Russia. I mean, most of the big countries, except for Brazil… India are, indeed, China are in the northern hemisphere.

John B: Well, that doesn’t even stand to reason, does it. Well look, I’m not trying to pull you into some sort of a jackpot, here. But, let me ask you this, there is something known as ‘sea ice’ & that sea ice is made from salt water, sea water, and it just follows that these glaciers are also made from salinated water, salt water, sea water. So, I don’t understand how melting them will dilute them will dilute the salt water of the oceans. I’m not getting that, but again, this is not your thing.

Andrew D Basiago: Ice can have salt. The question is: does the water have enough salt to transmit heat from the equitorial waters to the polar water, in the phenomenon we have called “the Gulf Stream”. So, you can have ice that has salt in it, but the question is, is it saline enough to prevent freezing.

John B: Okay. Alright, I’ll buy it.

Andrew D Basiago: That what the CIA was worried about. And all of that disaster planning, that inspired Andrew Marshall at the Pentagon, and it was picked up by Al Gore & his climate change advocacy. And that kind of informs the coming super storm scenario of Strieber and Bell is what the CIA was concerned about when we began our time-travel activities in the early ‘70s. We were schooled in it, I had a seminar in it, in that scenario.

Now, as for HAARP, what I was suggesting, is that if HAARP has a larger planetary function, maybe they were hoping to use magnetic effects generated by HAARP focused on the oxides of barium & aluminum in the atmosphere, or something else that they’re putting in the atmosphere, or just the atmosphere itself, to slightly shift the planet, to tweak it, without causing a planetary shift, but just a slight tweak to get it out of the way of that flare. I don’t know, but something like that could have happened.

John B: Alright. So… wow, this is extraordinary. I really have some questions that are written down, here, that I can ask you, and of course, I will go to them, eventually. But let me ask you this, with our President, having had the experiences that he’s had, and with all the secrecy maintained by NASA & the Air Force & DARPA & everybody else, are we getting close, in your opinion, to like the big meeting day? Where we meet the ETs, or that is old news, that happened a long time ago, and yes we are working with them & yes that’s why we’ve had these quantum leaps in the technical sector & so forth. I mean, is an ET / Earthling meeting – that’s old news, yes?

Andrew D Basiago: Well, my answer to that wouldn’t be yes or no, it would be, we will see that kind of transparency, if the American elect me, or somebody who believes as I do, as President. Because, in fact, the breakaway civilization, predicted by Richard Dolan, is upon us. Richard has talked about the fact that we want to avoid the emergence of a situation where there’s a small sort of Orwellian inner party, a kind of a priesthood of insiders, who will control all the esoteric information, all the esoteric technology, all of the esoteric leadership, and hence, the destiny of the people of this world. And we will break away from our civilization, and maybe even genocide us, possibly, as some people have suggested Mars is being used for.

Now, I say, such a civilization is clearly emerging right now. Because look, the individual that has been elected President of the most powerful country in the world, the United States of America – Barack Obama is a former astronaut, and the people who have elected him, literally, the American people, have never been told that. And, he wasn’t just an astronaut, he was a Chrononaut – he was astronaut who didn’t go up into space in rockets, but who went in advance time-travel technology.

And he went 34 years ago, he went 27 years before he was elected President in 2008, and he’s been President for 6 years, and the people still don’t know that. They don’t know that because a breakaway civilization has occurred.

And the U.S. Intelligence community has usurped the government function. Its doing that as I described by identifying, and then briefing, and in some cases compromising future Presidents. I believe that the CIA may have already infiltrated Congress & that this year, we may be hearing more about that this year, as its revealed that many of our members of Congress are covert CIA agents, who are on CIA payroll with Swiss bank account.

Okay, so the American people are very negative about government right now. They basically have turned into a surly mob, that hate most politician, except for a few principled idealists, like Ron Paul. And, that’s unfortunate, because really what happened was, the Constitutional processes of government got usurped by the Intelligence community. And that’s what need to be corrected.

And so, the antidotes to this, are for individuals who have served in these programs to come forward publicly, like I have, and William Stilling & Bernard Mendez, my fellow Chrononauts have. In the way that Randy Cramer just did on his Mars experience. In the way the Michael Relphe & Arthur Neumann & Laura Eisenhower have on Mars. The way that Randy Cramer (aka Captain Kaye, USMC s.s. VIDEOS) just did on his Mars experience. We need transparency about the Secret Space Program.

That will show people how far in the future our technology has taken us – how far advanced our technology has gone. And how the people were never apprised of what we were doing, and what technologies we had already achieved.

We then need to get some of these individuals into government – some of the people of the Truth Movement into the highest positions in government. Because we need to initiate a Truth & Reconciliation Process within the government itself. I believe it should be modeled on the South African model. In other words, we would invite, we would have a permanent standing committee of the U.S. Senate that would invite members of the Executive Branch, the Intelligence Community, the military & Defense Contractors & Intelligence community cut-outs, you know – companies, contractors – come forward & testify in open Congressional Hearing about the experiences they had working on, what people in the Intel call “The Dark Side of the House” – basically, the Secret Realm – the realm of official State secrecy.

In this sense, I liken the Truth Movement to the Abolition Movement, in the sense that where the Abolition Movement sought freedom from the oppression of slavery, of physical bondage. The Truth Movement seeks freedom from the metaphysical oppression of State Secrecy. That’s where we find ourselves at this phase in our history. We are not being told the truth about the cosmos we live in, nor how far technically advanced our civilization has actually become.

And so, that would be my response to your question. Not to look at it in terms of who Barack Obama is. He’s somebody who early on became a Acalee, an operative of the CIA, and when he reached the Presidency, he decided to play the safe Insider’s Game – the superficial opportunistic game.

I’m not superficial & I’m not opportunistic & believe in the truth, not in concealing things & deceiving people. That’s really the issue, will we have national leaders who will open up government – Justice Brandeis said that ‘sunshine is the ultimate antiseptic’. That is what we need. The Freedom of Information Act is fine, but it doesn’t go far enough. For example, anything can be blacked out with your FOIA request, the response to your FOIA request, just based on National Security Exception.

So, we have to re-visit the whole issue of ‘sunshine’ in government, openness in government, transparency. And we have to elect people who are personally governed by the truth, not by the superficiality & opportunism of merely wanting to be elected.

That’s why, for example, I think that people admired President Kennedy so much. Clearly he had foibles, but he really cared, and he was really oriented to try to articulate the truth about what government should be doing & what it is doing, and people trusted him, because he was telling the truth. And I think he got in trouble for it. I think he shook the cage of government in a way that potentially may have cost him his life. When he got realistic about the threat of a nuclear, and he decided to secret approach over nuclear weaponry of the former Soviet Union, as expressed in his June 10th 1963 American University speech, I think may in fact have been the cause of Kennedy’s assassination.

But nonetheless, we need to put people in high office who will initiate a truth process, because they believe that government should undertake its duties so that all that is kept back from the people is that which is absolutely necessary to conceal. And my test for that would be: doesn’t create a clear & present danger, military or otherwise – a danger of disaster. Or, is it private information – the information of individuals & companies, for example, that is not the business of the people, it is simply private information, like the kind of information that is gathered in a criminal investigation.

But beyond that, the American people deserve to know how far we’ve gone technically, and what the true nature of our cosmos is. That’s what the USA was suppose to be, we were suppose to be the flowering of the enlightenment. And, here, for fifty years, we’ve lived as a kind of a weak alternative to the former Soviet Union, as a puzzle-palace of national secrets. And that’s just not tolerable anymore.

They’ve been concealing cancer cures, they’ve been concealing the potential for mass environmental disasters, they’ve been concealing the threat posed by different factions in the world, or countries. They’ve been concealing whether its safer to live in Santa Monica or Denver, you know… come on. And that’s intolerable, because they’re our servants, they shouldn’t be hiding the truth from us.

John B: Yeah, I’m sure many of your countrymen agree. And, I really don’t really know how secrecy… Secrecy always serves somebody in some way, but I guess that’s part of the secret. Right?

Andrew D Basiago: Well, I think, as we learn… I did a number of oral histories at UCLA. I was really privileged to do the one of Norman Cousins – I did a 21 part interview with Norman who had worked with President Kennedy on disarmament issues. And I know the program was doing a lot of them on Manhattan Project physicists. I met a couple when I was on Pegasus. I met Emilio Segre, for example, who had won a Nobel Prize in physics.

And what I learned, I thing we were doing the Herbert York interview, but basically, the issue in a culture of secrecy is that it creates the insider mentality, where the people are motivated to conceal secrets because it confers status on them. That was our impression of the nuclear physicists that we interviewed, when I was doing oral histories of prominent Californians for UCLA. In other words, the cult of secrecy is an extension of human ego. And the reason why the secrets are kept is because it fosters the sense of special-ness of the people that are the ‘insiders’.

John B: Let me ask you this, this is your primary area of expertise is the Martian component. I’ve heard that some of these planets out there, the other 9, or as it turns out 10, as Pythagoras modeled his diatonic scale after, and this Nibiru thing being number 10. I understand that some of those “outposts” – observation platforms – were, at one time, mechanical, now they’re actually manned by people. Have you heard anything to that affect?

And the next question is: Why just Mars? Why not another planet? Maybe there are other planets people had visited. Was it the one that seemed most likely to sustain some sort of humanoid life, or did they abandon the other planets? Did they examine the other planets, and go Naaa… this is not it?

Andrew D Basiago: Right. Well, I didn’t learn anything either in Project Pegasus in the ‘70s, or the Mars Project in the ‘80s that would allow me to say what’s on other planets, or what’s in the rest of the Solar System. But I can give a couple of insights based on other people’s work.

Certainly, in the area of ancient artifacts, not just on Mars, but the Moon & some of the moons of other planets, like Iepitas, which is a moon of Jupiter. There’s evidence of mining on Iepitas. There’s evidence of large human face occupying about a third of the surface of Enceladus, which I believe is a moon of Saturn. So, there are large terra glyphs on other moons of other planets, not just the ones that we find on our Moon & on Mars that could be, because of either extraterrestrials created those artifacts & terra glyphs, or because that pre-Atlantean high-Egyptian civilization that reached Mars, was also on the Moon, and on planets beyond Mars, and decided to engage mining or the creation of large works of art on some of the moons of the neighboring planets – like Jupiter & Saturn.

Second, we have the statement that there seems to be some kind of extraterrestrial device in the Rings of Saturn, that may be mining the Rings of Saturn for some purpose, creating something. We have the statement by the Apollo astronauts that when they tapped the Moon, it rang for like a half hour, indicating that the Moon maybe be a metallic sphere covered with Moon dust, which would suggest an artificial creation of the Moon…

John B: And, hollow to boot.

Andrew D Basiago: Right, right… indicating an artificial creation of the Moon as an extraterrestrial satellite made to look like a natural moon or celestial body, as it were.

Now, in terms of why Mars versus other planets to get to, I can certainly answer that from my training under Ed Dames in 1980, and things I learned when I was servicing in the Jump Room Project. Mars is in a two-year irregular orbit around the Sun. And as a result, it moves towards & away from the Earth, so common sense logic dictates that if this area of the Solar System is struck again by the kind of space debris that devastated Earth & Mars in antiquity, as described by Graham Hancock in the “Mars Mystery”. And so, if we’re struck again by the kind of space debris that Graham Hancock talks about in his book, “The Mars Mystery”, then there’s a chance that Earth might be hit & Mars won’t be hit, or vice versa. So the way we can view Mars is as a platform to sustain the human genome against the possibility that we would have some kind of cluster of mass incoming objects that might devastate both Earth & Mars, as it did in the past.

First of all, if both planets are struck, its simply advantageous to have human life on both planets. But then again, if the debris comes in from a different vector – either Earth might be hit, or Mars might be hit. And its for that reason that they selected Mars as the location for an extraterrestrial Defense Platform protecting Earth. The Moon wasn’t acceptable, because the Moon is too close to the Earth.

And then lastly, I would cite the fact that some planets are inhospitable when we get there, for example, Venus. Many people have claimed that Venus is inhabited, they’ve met Venusians, Valiant Thor – the alleged extraterrestrial of the 1950s, as depicted in “Stranger at the Pentagon” was from Venus. The problem that I have with that is Venus is 600 degrees Fahrenheit at its surface. And so it can’t sustain protoplasmic life, as we understand it. I know there’s a photograph that suggests that some sort of “fire creature” is sustaining itself there on the surface of Venus, but we can’t go there because we can’t, for example, put structures there, or even putting our own bodies there without them being incinerated.

John B: Its not too much of a stretch, there are microbes , and so forth, that thrive well over 200 degrees, when everything else would be dead. So, that’s not too much of a stretch.

Andrew D Basiago: No, its not. No, its not. Well, with small creature surviving in the world’s oceans near volcanic vents with temperatures of, let’s say, 200-300 degrees Fahrenheit, its conceivable that life forms could actually evolve simply at higher temperatures. So, I don’t discount the possibility that a very hot planet like Venus may harbor life. I’m just making the point that we wouldn’t be able to go there without protective equipment.

John B: There’s a seat for every bottom, here in the Universe. Now, let me ask you something. Arthur Neumann, who until recently referred to himself as Henry Deacon, is another whistleblower, you know him?

Arthur Neumann aka Henry Deacon

Andrew D Basiago: Yes, after he did his series of interviews with Bill Ryan & Kerry Cassidy of the Project Camelot, Arthur was sending me encrypted emails, stating that he felt that his story had been spun in a way that was not accurate. For example, he said he wasn’t in fear of his life, and he hadn’t fled to England. Then I learned, when Kerry sponsored her Time-Travel Conference in Los Angeles in 2012, I learned at that point the Arthur Neumann was disparaging me, and I utilized Alfred Webre as a go between. And I found out that he was angry at me because he felt that in my testimony, I was making it seem that everybody who had gone to Mars had done so for the CIA. And because he detested the CIA, and its abuses of powers, he was angry that I hadn’t clarified the point, I hadn’t distinguished the fact, that, in fact, Arthur Neumann alleges that he went to Mars via Jump Room for the large Livermore Laboratories in Berkeley, and not for the CIA or the NSA.

John B: Is this the Neumann, is he related to the Neumann technical company in Germany, makes microphones, and many other things?

Andrew D Basiago: No, I don’t believe so. I do believe that Arthur Neumann is his actual name, and they had been using the alias Henry Deacon when they originally interviewed him.

By the way, I would like to address Bill & Kerry. They’ve taken the position that I’m telling the truth about my time-travel memories from childhood, or experiences, but prevaricating, or deluded, about my Mars experiences. And that’s NOT the case.

I have now recovered a full set of memories about both Programs. And my Mars testimony is as authentic as my existing time-travel testimony. What happened was actually more complex than they even investigated him. That’s kind of ironic, because when they interviewed me for the purpose of exploring doing an on camera interview with him in 2007, and I remember remaining in touch with him in early 2008. I was just in possession of my memories of my time-travel experiences in Project Pegasus as a child, and that’s all I was investigating & that’s all of what I was talking about.

Then, without… and as a result of it, I was able to because I never forgotten my time-travel experiences. And, in fact, when they were trying to get me to forget my time-travel experiences in 1972, I resisted that brainwashing, so that I brought my memories forward. They’re not recovered memories, they were the original memories.

That’s not true regarding my Morris Jump Room memories from my college years. In that case, ten years had passed between the two Programs. And brainwashing of U.S. personnel was so advanced that our government was in possession of what must have been the American version, or reverse engineered version, of the Soviet LIDA machine. LIDA is an acronym of some Soviet technical term. The LIDA machine is an electronic device that suppresses specific memories. A certain noise, or set noises, is played in the individual’s earphones, or in the audio nubs placed in the ear. As somebody’s talking about them about what they’re going to suppress.

Soviet LIDA Machine

And I know that Ed Dames was doing that with us so much, basically blocking our Mars Jump Room memories, you know, what we had just done. That it became almost a joke, to sit down & let Ed brainwash us with that American version of the LIDA machine.

So, I didn’t retrieve my Mars memories until 2010 when I was approached by one of my fellow Mars Jumper’s William B Stillings. And he & I, and by 2011, in conversation with Bernard Mendez, the three of us were able to go back & recover our Mars memories. So that the three of us our now in possession of what happened, just as I had previously been in possession of my time-travel memories.

The problem is that Bill & Kerry interviewed me during that interregnum. Between interviewing me about what I remembered about time-travel & me recovering my Mars Jump Room memories. I was not inspired by anything that fell between that. For example, either by Arthur Neumann’s account or by an interview that David Wilcock did with Project Camelot, because in fact, specific things that had always been suppressed in my mind came forward, and they were highly specific, when I was approached by William Stilling & Bernard Mendez.

So, I thank Brett [Stillings] & Benny [Bernard] for coming forward. Because, had they not, I don’t think I ever would have had my Mars memories dislodged from wherever they were stored in my mind, or blocked by the use of that devise.

But that’s what happened, and I’m not prevaricating. And what distinguishes the Mars Jump Room testimony of all of us is we now have 6 individuals who corroborate its existence. If I may cite one example involving Laura Eisehower.

First of all, how often do the descendants of American Presidents go forward about any political issue of the day? I think the sole exception before Laura, perhaps was Amy Carter – speaking out against Apartheid in South Africa, against the nuclear arms race, you know, the nuclear industry. Laura came forward, not with easy controversy, but with difficult controversy. She came forward alleging that in 2006 & 2007, she had been approached by the U.S. government to go to Mars colony with her two twin boys, who were then 10 years of age.

Now, what descendent of a President, of a prominent beloved Presidential family, like the Eisenhower clan, would do that, if they were as intelligent & sane & logical person as Laura. Clearly, she has to be telling the truth, because otherwise she wouldn’t besmirch her position as a member of a Presidential family & her family’s reputation, political or otherwise.

Now, when she came forward, she gave Alfred Webre & I information that proved she’s telling the truth. And let me share with you, because it germane to this interview: She told us that she was told that if they went to Mars, they would go there via ARC. And because there was a discussion of space planes by the individual who was manipulating her, to try to recruit her to go to Mars with her sons, literally migrate, join the colony there. She thought she was to go to be going by an advance space plane, and indeed she may have done so, if she had agreed to go. Because from Randy Cramer’s account, we can see that they’ve been using space planes that are often recharged on the Moon, and then go from the Moon to Mars.

But let me share this data point, because I think its significant in understanding what Laura was told. When she told us that data, she didn’t realize, and had never been told, that ARC was the anagram for the Jump Rooms. During our training, it was explained by Ed Dames, that there was a technical term for the Jump Rooms, and it was Aeronautical Repositioning Chamber (ARC). That’s what the Jump Room does. It doesn’t travel somewhere propulsively or obviously through space, in the way that an automobile, or a airplane, or a rocket does. It sort of stays where it is, but the people inside of it are repositioned aeronautically.

And in fact, it arrived in space elevator column on Mars that was just a conventional looking column, just like the elevator column at El Segundo, that from which we began our journey. In fact, the room changed, the room didn’t ostensibly travel through space. It somehow manipulated our position aeronautically, as a chamber. Anyway, she was actually told, I believe, the anagram – the slang technical term for the Jump Rooms, and she couldn’t have made that up. And it also indicated that she was in communication with somebody who knew that that was the anagram for the technical term for the Jump Room. And I find that validating, I became convinced of her veracity & the reality of the recruitment attempt that was directed at her in ’06 & ’07.

John B: Alright. Let me ask you this… Major Ed Dames, I found out about him back when I was a big fan of Art Bell on Coast to Coast AM, and later that dream came true. And I was actually able to post a few programs there myself for a couple years. Other than that, I would have never known of his existence. But I found there was something lacking in the accuracy of his remote viewing.

(To Be Continued)

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