I have only used the Klemens but it certainly helped me with a couple of conditions now. It was fantastic for a Salt/C + Kelemens parasite cleanse. Best combination for parasites ever done on myself. I used this strategy for 3 months and was amazed how the bugs kept coming out for up to 3 months when they seemed to finally stop coming out. They all came out together - liver flukes together, red worm together... gross, but I wanted proof to see if it really worked. I also used coffee enemas weekly to help things along. Worked so well for me.