Re: vomiting after about two weeks off meat

46, 180-190lbs,
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MALE

pretty severe mercury problem,
SUCH AS?

Well, I was diagnosed with CFS back many years ago. It took a lot of digging around in the alternative world to figure out the mercury thing. Aside from testing the pill chelators, which I have very strong reactions to at very low doses, I got an iridology diagnosis of mercury in my lungs, small/large intestine, adrenal cortex, nerve tissue, and in muscle tissue on left side of my chest. Also in the same diagnosis was that my intestines were so impacted that things were borderline gangrenous. Note, this was a while ago that I got the diagnosis and I've been working very hard at things for a very long time, so everything is much improved, but still I think the diagnosis was accurate. I can speculate as to the source of mercury but not sure it matters much.

small intestine problems,
SUCH AS
, VERY RARE ANYONE MAKES MENTION OF THEIR "SMALL" INTESTINES

Yes, I agree. When all this impaction started coming out of me I had first assumed it was from the colon. At that point I was not very well read in alternative health and had read a few things about people's colons being impacted. When the stuff did not stop coming out of me 10+ years down the line I started to revise my thinking. I can feel that things are stuck much higher up than the colon. I know it takes a very long time to get in touch with things like this, but I've had a lot of time with this. Also, my absorption of food has gotten much better in correlation with the small intestine cleansing and continues to get better every few months. This is part of why I think I don't need the animal products anymore because everything is much more efficient now. Anything but the smallest amount of protein just turns to excess weight now.

gall bladder stasis,
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colon bloating
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Yes I am extremely toxic.
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My small intestine has been detoxing almost nonstop since my mid-20's when I stopped milk and bread.
FOR OVER 20 YEARS? AND BY DETOX, WHAT HAPPENS?

The first nutritionist I consulted with told me to stop all modern foods, i.e. wheat, dairy, sugar. He had me eating a lot of meat. My intestinal flora changed two days after stopping the dairy and grains, and I started passing very hard dry impacted type stools, which is still going on now over 20 years later. I can turn this on or off if I eat bread or abstain. I was on this sort of diet for quite a while, though I added in small amounts of fruits, or rice here and there. I thought this was going to be my diet for life, but things changed around as I cleaned out and my absorption got better. At first on that diet I got really trim and fit, but years later now I'm in the opposite boat, feeling much better on fruit or carbs than proteins. I still eat a fair amount of all types of fats to help with the small intestine problems.

I ate mainly cooked food for a number of years since then, but it was enough to trigger massive cleansing over many years.
SUCH AS WHAT? WHITE TONGUE?
SKIN RASH?
DIAREAH?

The main cleansing I experience was what I posted above. Abstaining from grains, dairy, and most processed foods, my body just goes into natural cleansing mode and I pass impacted stools that have no relation to anything I've eaten that day. Yes white tongue which correlates to when this stuff is coming off the intestine wall and then it clears when I pass the stool. Rarely diarrhea or rashes.

Endless liver flushes have not fixed my gallbladder.
WHY? WHAT DO YOU EXPELL WHEN DOING A PROPER LIVER FLUSH? DETAIL WHAT YOUR LIVER FLUSH CONSIST OF?

I did huld clark liver flushes for many years. The first bathc of flushes produced very large almost black green stones, then green stones, chaff, possibly a very few calcified stones. I thought this was going to bring me close to a cure, but over time I began to gain a huge amount of weight in between flushes. I think my biliary system was just shut down way before the flushes and then when my body started producing bile again it was still backed up. I feel like I have rocks still in my liver area despite a tremendous number of flushes. I switched to the coke flush past few years just for convenience. I still get stones out, but I don't do the flushes as often. Something is stuck in there and I'm considering surgery just to relieve the blockage. Ultrasound showed no stones or blockage, but I don't trust that test for a minute since I can feel things stuck there.

It will not move at all unless I do a flush.
NORMALLY NO HUMAN EVER REALIZES THEIR GALLBLADDER WORKS OR NOT......SO YOU ARE EITHER EXTREMELY AWARE OR SOMETHING....

I am extremely aware. Though I did not start out that way. After an ungodly number of liver flushes I learned to how feel what was going on in there.

I considered your plant oils idea, but until I am fully off of animal products it seems counterproductive.
PLANT/TREE OILS HAVE THE SAME AFFECT ON THE STOMACH/LIVER REGARDLESS WHAT IS BEING EATEN, BUT NATURALLY YOU GET MORE FOR YOUR $$$ AS YOU STOP ALL BAD FOODS.

I tried lecithin a few times but it did not seem to make a difference.

About 7 years into this, age 31, I started passing all sorts of worms,
IDEALLY, YOU SHOULD NEVER SEE WORMS PAST YOUR VERY FIRST LIVER FLUSH.....IF YOU ARE SEEING THEM WITH THE NAKED EYE AFTER THAT, THEN YOU NEEDED TO STEP UP YOUR E-WORMER PROGRAM......

I never saw worms after a liver flush, only after regular bm's, which for me are rarely normal. The worms started coming out after about 7 years wheat/dairy free. Most likely they were buried inside those endless layers of impaction.

this lasted for many years,
YIKES

and I still pass an occasional one but nothing like back then when it was endless.
IF YOU CAN SEE 1 IN THE TOILET, THEN THERE IS A HUGE PROBLEM, BECAUSE 99% OF THEM ALL ARE TOO SMALL TO SEE.

I think I've seen maybe 1 or 2 in the past year. Compared to years ago when I was passing tons and tons and tons of them.


The last 5 years I'm eating more raw food especially fruit, but some cooked foods actually clean my intestines out better than raw foods.

I never thought about it being nerve issue, interesting theory.
WITH A HUMAN LIFE, IT IS ALL ABOUT THEIR NERVES..........WE ARE WHAT WE BELIEVE MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE. OUR NERVES CAN EAT THE FLESH RIGHT OFF OUR BODY OR MAKE US SO FAT WE CAN'T WALK.

But as I know for a fact I'm still very toxic, this is probably what is going on.
WE ARE AS TOXIC AS OUR LAST BREATH OF AIR AND NATURALLY WHAT WE HAVE ACCUMULATED OVER A LIFETIME....

After 20 years of a dry hacking cough,
BEEN THERE, DONE THAT WHEN I WORKED 30 YEARS IN A LEAD FACTORY......UNDERSTANDING A COUGH AND UNDERSTANDING MUCUS/WORMS/CHOLESTEROL EXPLAINS MOST OF THE LUNG ISSUES.

Yes the colon and lung problem are one in the same

this past year my lungs finally started to detox, and I'm coughing up some stuff almost every morning. I was never even a smoker. I do a lot of lemon juice, sometimes 8 ounces/day, this may be helping the lung stuff come up.
8 OUNCES OF "PURE" FRESH SQUEESED LEMON JUICE? THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE ENOUGH TO KILL ME OR MAKE ME WISH I HAD A DIFFERENT LIFE......BUT THERE WAS AN AUTHOR WHO BELIEVED IN SUCH A THING----
1 LEMON DAILY FOR PREVENTION
3 DAILY FOR TREATMENT
5 DAILY IF YOU THINK YOU ARE GOING TO DIE.

No I'll do very strong lemonade with 2 lemons, distilled water and unrefined cane sugar, sometimes 3-4 of these per day. The past 2 years or so I'm craving lemonade and it makes me feel about as good as anything I've tried. I could not tolerate citrues some years ago when I was more toxic, likely it just caused the release of too many toxins for me to handle. Now that I'm cleaner I really enjoy it. I go in phases, sometimes a lot, sometimes none.

As far as the painful gas that happens during these episodes. It's actually less gas than I normally have. I am always bloated normally.
SUCH GAS IS TOXIC TO YOUR BLOOD, THIS IS SOMETHING YOU WANT STOPPED ASAP.

Yes, I need to stop this. I have not found anything that has stopped the bloating. Some things have improved a lot, but the bloating has actually gotten worse and worse. I am sometimes just managing it barely, and sometimes the pressure is unbearable, even when not in one of those acute episodes.

During these acute phases it feels like the gas is literally. everywhere but it is painful,
THE BRAIN IS TELLING THIS IS BAD BY YOU FEELING THE PRESSURE AND THE PAIN OF THE POISONING.

or maybe I'm feeling pain in the intestinal lining , one second it feels like it's centered below my navel, then it feels like it's in my upper back, then it's around my liver. The pain is kind of non-specific and comes in colicky waves.
SOUNDS LIKE PRESSURE ON THE KIDNEYS AS A RESULT OF THE BLOATING, CAN LITERALLY PUT YOU ON THE GROUND.

I considered this. And likely my kidneys are involved to some degree but who knows. There is definitely pressure on my lumbar vertebrae from the colon bloating, this I'm sure of.

I know for a fact that this starts with abstaining from meat.
MEAT REQUIRES ALLOT OF ACIDS FROM THE STOMACH/PANCREAS
TO STOP MEAT IS SOMETHING MOST MEN BY AGE 60 HAVE TO DO IF THEY DON'T WANT TO DIE OF PROSTRATE CANCERS.....OR CANCERS IN GENERAL..

Well nature has slowly brought me away from meat, I don't see much or any of it in my future. It seemed to work well for me only when I was young and to bring me out of the acute CFS onset. After that it was poison.

I've tried this at least 10 times now and it's always the same.
TO BE THAT ADDICTED TO MEAT, SEEMS "STRANGE"

Well, it is what it is. I'm not even craving for meat at all, actually what I want is a semi-fast. The whole experience has been strange, passing worms for years, heavy metals, hair falling out, regrowing, lying in bed all day and yet looking like I spent the day at the gym, so many paradoxes.

At or around day 10 the same exact symptoms start every time, and I know I will not be able to get through it, so I wind up eating crap that I don't even want just to stop this from happening.
MY MY MY..............WHAT A ROLLER COASTER RIDE YOU HAVE BEEN ON AND TIME TO STEP OFF AND START LIVING.....
1. BOOK I APPLIED WILL BE YOUR CURE..........IF YOU CAN'T DO IT, THEN YOU WOULD BE THE FIRST HUMAN ACCORDING TO THE AUTHOR WHO USED IT FOR 63,000 PATIENTS.........I ASSURE YOU, YOU ARE NOT UNIQUE IN ANY WAY WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO THE BASICS.........

IF YOU CAN'T DO BOOK I, THEN IT WAS BY CHOICE AND IF YOU APPLY PROPERLY FOR 21 DAYS, ALL ADDICTIONS WILL BE ERASED AND YOUR STOMACH REPAIRED, HAVE A NEW HEART AND IF YOU GO 40, YOU WILL GET NEW SKIN WITH YOUR NEW LIVER....

YOU HAVE ENOUGH WEIGHT TO DO A 40 DAY FAST, SO NO EXCUSES OTHER THAN YOU WOULD NOT HAVE THE INTEREST. IT WOULD BE YOUR CHEAPEST AND BEST STEP FORWARD AND NATURALLY YOU KNOW ABOUT ALL THE TOXIC STUFF AND HAVE READ THE MH WAY 2011 NEWSLETTERS AND BOOK I, IF NOT, STOP AND DO SO BEFORE YOU ANSWER THIS POST.

This is the crux of it all. Yes I have no problems with the weight part. The problem is what I first posted about, getting into a situation during a cleanse/fast where the vomiting never stops. I skimmed book 1 some years ago, but need to read it again in detail. Where is the instruction manual for what to do when you become dehydrated from non-stop vomiting.


The onset of my chronic illness started with very similar symptoms, but also included swollen, puss tonsils, high fever, and the docs put me on zantac for an entire summer, destroying my stomach acid, and I had diarrhea for a whole summer long. By mid summer I had lost about half my strength it seems permanent.
JUST CALL IT CONSTIPATION, THAT IS ALL IT IS, MILLIONS OF ADULTS GO THROUGH THIS, IT IS EASILY SELF CURED WITH SOME HERBS AND PROPER DIET AND SOON ENOUGH MOST PEOPLE DISCOVER THEY CAN EAT ANYTHING THAT DOES NOT EAT THEM FIRST, AS LONG AS THEY AVOID THE CONSTIPATION...

I'm not a stranger to natural medicine, been reading for over 20 years now and trying different things.
THEN WE CAN SUGGEST THAT WAS A FAILURE AND MORE IS NOW NEEDED IF YU ARE TO CURE THIS PROBLEM.

I consider it a partial failure since a lot of systems are semi-repaired. But I wouldnt' be posting here if it was a success

My best two guesses are either that it's a very severe but normal cleansing reaction, one that I don't know how to get through, or that there is some type of non-helminth organism, maybe a serious type of protozoa and I have no idea of how to deal with things like that.
CALL IT LYMES DISEASE, DO THIS AND ALL THE OTHER 100,000 DIFFERENT PARASITES BECOME MEANINGLESS.....KILL THE LYMES AND YOU HAVE MASTERED THE WORMS.......LIFELONG PREVENTION IS THE ONLY SOLUTION TO KEEP THEM KNOCKED DOWN AND YOU CAN DO STRONGER AND STRONGER HERBS EVERY NEW YEAR AS YOU BECOME STRONGER.


Since I passed so many helminths over the years and saw them I had assumed that these were what was going on, but maybe some of the more dangerous bugs are protozoa and my gut tissue was actually getting eaten. Just thinking out loud.
WORMS ARE WORMS, KILL THEM ALL, KEEP THEM OUT, MAKE YOUR BODY "RESISTANT"

Some of the herbs that I am highly reactive to now are more anti-protozoan whereas the anti-helminthic herbs don't cause the strong die-off reactions that used to happen.
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I read your forum from time to time and also Uniquity's forum. I agree 100% with the general theories of what both of you say, it's just that

I was never able to fully commit
IF YOU READ THE DR. CHRISTOPHER BOOK, IN THE FIRST PAGES HE DESCRIBES 3 TYPES OF PEOPLE AND NATURALLY AS YOU CAN GUESS, HE SAID 2 OF THE 3 TYPES NEVER SUCCEED WITH THEIR HEALTH BECAUSE THEY; never able to fully commit

Well, christopher is a big grains promoter, and grains are not so good for me.


to the dietary programs and just did whatever cleansing I was able to handle. So I have made a lot of progress over the years but never able to go all the way.

FACT-NO ONE CHANGES THEIR DIET AND HABITS COMPLETELY, THIS IS WHY HERBS ARE STILL POPULULAR TO THIS DAY.

The doctors having an opinion??? that's a laugh. One guy thought it might be heart related, my heart ekg was normal. One guy thought it was stomach acid problem, and gave me some stomach acid pills, which did help a little bit, but not much.
DOCTORS TODAY, OFTEN SEEM SO IGNORANT WE MUST WONDER HOW HORRIBLE THE MEDICAL COLLEGES HAVE BECAME ALL $$$$$ AND NO BRAINS,IF DADDY DOCTOR CAN PUT HIS SON INTO COLLEGE VIA $$$$$ IT SEEMS LIKE THAT IS ALL THAT IS REQUIRED.

When I was in the hospital with the acute vomiting they didn't even try to make a guess, the i.v. did help though as I couldnt keep anything down.

I read the protozoa forum and there is this one doctor who does what seems like proper testing, this is a possibility to try to find out exactly what kind of organisms are in there. I did a stool test, and it was a joke, no useful information.
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ALL TESTING IS A WASTE

READ AND APPLY WHAT I CALL BOOK I
CAN'T DO THAT? THEN IT IS ALL HERBS.......
CAN'T DO HERBS? THEN MEDICAL IS YOUR BEST OPTION.

MH