Re: Jeremy..Re: Starting Water Fast

Jeremy,
the specifics are located in the annals of Natural Hygiene from Doctors such as: Jennings, Shew, Alcott, Shelton, Tilden, Trall, Page and many many others; one of the greatest and most knowledgeable sources is from Shelton who supervised over 30,000 fasts in all states of health and disease. This link might do as a starting point......................
http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020127shelton.III/020127.toc.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXvrrot0hnQ


Your advice not to do a Water Fast and adding lemon juice which apparently ends in the same results; this is not so, as adding anything to water on a Water Fast means that this is feeding, and fooling the body into believing it is taking nourishment of sorts. This leads to deficiencies of one kind or another. A vitamin C deficient diet for example will eventually produce scurvy, but on a water-only-fast this does not occur.

Your advice to drink LOTS of water is advice for producing an overload for the kidneys and potential edema. The usual advice is to drink only according to thirst, and thirst only. Excess water, just as with excess food, or anything else, only produces harm to the body.
WATER DRINKING DURING THE FAST............
http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020127shelton.III/020127.ch29.htm


References are contained in the above and below links which I do not have time to search for presently, and so will leave that to you.

Jeremy, you will not find any references in any Medical Journals, because there has been little research on the subject of fasting through the lack of financial incentive by anyone or organisation to do so. The exception to this is amongst the Russians who have done some fairly comprehensive research into the role of water-only-fasting in health and disease, so for example.......
http://www.randifredricks.com/blog/post.cfm/research-on-fasting-for-schizophr...


Therapeutic fasting is generally water-only and as mentioned by Arnold DeVries in his work "Therapeutic Fasting".
http://jeune-et-randonnee.pagesperso-orange.fr/devries.pdf


Your comment Jeremy that.........
"Objective data acquired via the scientific method is not the same as the personal experience that you and I have", is largely correct, but then how much "scientific method" has been applied to fasting other than from the experience of those who have that experience in professional supervision? The most experienced by far, are those health professionals within Natural Hygiene dating to its origins in the early 1800's.

You may also have overlooked the title of the forum Jeremy: "water-only-fasting support forum", making any other type of comment on fasting as inappropriate: so your comment..
"Don't do a water fast. You can get the same benefits of fasting by adding lemon juice, or by doing an organic juice fast. Both options are better", is erroneous.

This discourse could go on for sometime, and I do not have much of that at the moment, but just one more comment.....

"What is the difference between Water Fasting and juice fasting?
A. During a water fast, only water is consumed. During a juice fast, any variety of fruit and vegetable juices are consumed. People detoxify and heal more quickly with a Water Fast than with a juice fast". Dr Ben Kim...
http://drbenkim.com/fasting.html


Of course there are many many other examples.

We do have members such as yourself who do contribute here from time to time, and you are of course very welcome here, but it would be appreciated if your advice is relevant to the forum subject: posting and advising on matters, such as juice-fasting or adding lemon juice to the water as being more effective and beneficial than water-only-fasting is incorrect.
To comment also that the member you offered advice to is probably suffering from nutritional deficiencies, is pure speculation and conjecture on your part; some might even find this rather scary and deter them from the benefits that water-only has to offer.
The body has a remarkable capacity in storing nutrients because of the very real historical risk of famine and sickness, and an evolutionary biological development in the prevention of actual starvation; even poor diets, do allow for the storage of many nutrients over time. Your advice has not been good.

I suggest you purchase and read Dr Joel Fuhrmans book entitled: "Fasting and Eating For Health", a contemporary update on the fast and the fasting process, and even "The Pleasure Trap" by Douglas J Lisle Ph.D and Dr Alan Goldhamer for up to date advice on fasting.

Chrisb1.


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