2Cor 13:5-8 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates? But I trust that ye shall know that we are not reprobates. Now I pray to God that ye do no evil; not that we should appear approved, but that ye should do that which is honest, though we be as reprobates. For we can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth.
It is not so hard to see what happens when a bunch of so called Christians had gone through all that nonsense for this is the very reason for which we are to avoid those kind of things.
Now Chavey is stumbled.
Chavey,
Know this, Proverbs 24:16 For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief.