please dont take this negative but if you look through my previous post i also did a similar chinese method. with chinese doctors got the accupuncture the needles jabbed in my lips to let all the blood out and flow very painful i did about 5 sessions of that and was on the herbal tea's they gave me for 1 month very expansive and it didnt work unfortunately. but thats just my experienced i just wanted to let you know that i have tried it. they jabbed about 100 needles in my lip per session for about a period of 20 minutes blood was pouring out everywhere. most painful experience i have ever had it was so painful it made me cry everytime during the treatment but i had to try it as the person told me they would cure me.