Re: Soy:Weston A Price Fondation Tragedy and Hype

 So you think the beef and dairy industries are against the soy industry when cattle consume nearly 20% of the country's soy? Wrong. It's exactly the opposite scenario: They are in collaboration with the industry, which is exactly why GMO soy is so widespread: to get the cheapest, greatest yield of soy to support the beef and dairy industries which they are in collaboration with.

You clearly do not know much about the cattle industry either.  Cows are fed a number of things including hay, silage, fish pellets, cottonseed meal (which by the way is one of the heaviest pesticide laden crops out there), etc.

Secondly, the beef and dairy industry are against the sales of soy to humans since that is where they are losing profits. It does not take an economic genius to figure that out.  By the way, if the dairy industry is not so opposed to soy then why are they trying to get a law passed prohibiting the naming of anything other than cow's milk as "milk"?  So again you are wrong.

"And then there was the dairy farmer sued for stating his milk was free of bovine growth hormone (BGH). The politicians later made doing so illegal since as they put it this implied that BGH-free milk was safer than BGH laden milk, which it is."

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 " just because something is in one part of a plant this does not mean it is present in all parts of a plant.. So do you have any real evidence that the pesticides from GMO soy end up in the soybeans? I don't mean from newspaper articles or website articles like so many of your links below that are not studies as claimed." 

So cows injected with rBGH produce "BGH laden milk" to suit your arguments but...Pesticides administered to soy beans don't produce "pesticide laden soybeans"?

Again, where is the proof that any of that ends up in the soybeans?  And why does it matter if the pesticides are produced by the plant through GMO or sprayed on the plant where they are taken up by the plant through the roots and leaves?  So you think that spraying the pesticides on to the plants somehow magically makes them safe?  Sorry, but that is not the case.

Or melons injected with colchicine producing "colchicine laden melons"?

And where did I ever say I agree with this?  I see you are making things up again since you have no evidence to counter me with.  Just because I know how they use colchicine to induce tetraploidy does not mean I agree with the practice.  Just like I know how to make moonshine, but I don't agree with the practice.

Even better, how about cows raised on GMO soy producing "GMO soy laden beef"?

Another unsubstantiated claim.

Are you really saying that a cow injected with rBGH will produce "rBGH laden milk" but a cow fed GMO soy will not produce "GMO-soy laden beef"?

ROTFLMAO!!!!  Injecting rBGH in to cows DOES NOT make the cows produce rBGH!!!  Boy, some people really will believe any propaganda they read!!!

Let's take this one step further because you are obviously not paying attention: Do you think a HUMAN fed GMO-soy will not produce "GMO-soy laden HUMAN"?

Again, any REAL evidence to this claim?  Not sales or propaganda sites, but actual credible studies to back this claim?

And you are the one scoffing left and right that we "don't have a basic understanding of human anatomy and physiology"?

I rely on proven evidence of how things occur in the body, not some propaganda site that will say whatever knowing that there are people out there that will fall for it.

For example, if you eat a cow will you start growing horns and develop teats and put out cow's milk?  Hopefully you answered no.  And why would that answer be no?  Figure out the answer and you will realize why your claim is so improbable.

Better start kicking and screaming for "evidence."

I have asked you for evidence enough times for your claims.  Not surprisingly you have NEVER presented any real evidence to back any of them.

 This is exactly the type of pseudo-"debating" that lost you the debate in the liver flush forum.

LOL!!!  I did not lose anything in the "Liver Flush Debate" forum.  I was the only one that presented evidence to back my claims.  The "liver flush" supporters simply kept claiming I was wrong but NEVER came up with even a single shred of evidence to prove me wrong.  Anyone understanding the concept of debate would know that debate involves taking a stance and backing that stance with evidence, which is what I did over and over.  When someone is unable to provide evidence to their claims, such as the "liver flush" supporters, they LOSE the debate.  Which is exactly what happened with the "liver flush" supporters.  That is why they resorted to the constant barrage of personal attacks on me that still continues to this day since they had no and still have no evidence to counter the evidence I presented.

Somehow you deem yourself eligible of demanding studies founded upon *reasoning* that you yourself disprove in your own post.

I have not disproven myself. You are referring to Chris, who kept claiming soy was dangerous then posted references touting the various health benefits of soy since he did not bother reading his own references before posting them.  Then he referenced Mercola, who claims flax is healthy even though it is nearly 4 times higher in the phytoestrogens Mercola claims are dangerous in unfermented soy, and also are goitrogenic.  Not to mention that flax also contains phytic acid Mercola claims is an antinutrient.  It is like the blind leading the blind!!!

Absolutely amazing. How about this? Let's bring together your reasoning and find out what you are really saying: " just because something is in one part of a cow this does not mean it is present in all parts of a cow.."

LOL!!!  You really need to learn BASIC anatomy and physiology.  Did you know that if you feed a cow garlic the milk will taste like garlic but not the meat?  Why is that? Simple, compounds in the garlic are passed in the milk, but it is not stored in the meat.  So just because the cow is fed garlic this does not turn the cow in to garlic.  This is the same reason you and the other "liver flush" supporters got your butts kicked royally on the "Liver Flush Debate" forum!!!

Hmmm now that's a statement the FDA will definitely agree with you on. As well as your idols at "sciencebasedmedicine.com".

Again you assume to much.  They are not my idols.  Just because they had a great article showing solid evidence against the quackery called "liver flushing" this does not mean they are my idols.  You are just pissed off still that I discredited you and your buddies so bad on the "Liver Flush Debate" forum!  Get over it already!!!