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This is an amazing artical of facts that will blow you away ..
http://www.westonaprice.org/search/search?q=soy
http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/tragedy-and-hype
Tragedy and Hype: Third International Soy Symposium
Marketing the Perfect Food
The FDA Health Claim
Cinderella's Dark Side
Soy Protein Isolate
Birth Control Pills for Babies
But it was the isoflavones in infant formula that gave the Jameses the most cause for concern. In 1998, investigators reported that the daily exposure of infants to isoflavones in soy infant formula is 6 to 11 times higher on a body weight basis than the dose that has hormonal effects in adults consuming soy foods. Circulating concentrations of isoflavones in infants fed soy-based formula were 13,000 to 22,000 times higher than plasma estradiol concentrations in infants on cows milk formula.57
Approximately 25 percent of bottle-fed children in the US receive soy-based formula--a much higher percentage than in other parts of the Western world. Fitzpatrick estimated that an infant exclusively fed soy formula receives the estrogenic equivalent (based on body weight) of at least five birth control pills per day.58 By contrast, almost no phytoestrogens have been detected in dairy-based infant formula or in human milk, even when the mother consumes soy products.
Scientists have known for years that soy-based formula can cause thyroid problems in babies. But what are the effects of soy products on the hormonal development of the infant, both male and female?
Male infants undergo a "testosterone surge" during the first few months of life, when testosterone levels may be as high as those of an adult male. During this period, the infant is programed to express male characteristics after puberty, not only in the development of his sexua| organs and other masculine physical traits, but also in setting patterns in the brain characteristic of male behavior. In monkeys, deficiency of male hormones impairs the development of spatial perception (which, in humans, is normally more acute in men than in women), of learning ability and of visual discrimination tasks (such as would be required for reading.)59 It goes without saying that future patterns of sexua| orientation may also be influenced by the early hormonal environment. Male children exposed during gestation to diethylstilbesterol (DES), a synthetic estrogen that has effects on animals similar to those of phytoestrogens from soy, had testes smaller than normal on maturation.60
Learning disabilities and behavioral problems, especially in male children, have reached epidemic proportions in the US. Soy infant feeding—which began in earnest in the early 1970s—cannot be ignored as a probable cause for these tragic developments. As for girls, an alarming number are entering puberty much earlier than normal, according to a recent study reported in the journal Pediatrics.61 Investigators found that one percent of all girls now show signs of puberty, such as breast development or pubic hair, before the age of three; by age eight, 14.7 percent of white girls and almost 50 percent of African-American girls had one or both of these characteristics. New data indicate that environmental estrogens such as PCBs and DDE (a breakdown product of DDT) may cause early sexua| development in girls.62 In the 1986 Puerto Rico Premature Thelarche study, the most significant dietary association with premature sexua| development was not chicken—as reported in the press—but soy infant formula.63 The Woman, Infants and Children (WIC) program, which supplies free infant formula to welfare mothers, stresses soy formula for African Americans because they are supposedly allergic to milk.
The consequences of truncated childhood are tragic. Young girls with mature bodies must cope with feelings and urges that most children are not well-equipped to handle. And early maturation in girls is frequently a harbinger for problems with the reproductive system later in life including failure to menstruate, infertility and breast cancer.
Parents who have contacted the Jameses recount other problems associated with children of both sexes who were fed soy-based formula including extreme emotional behavior, asthma, immune system problems, pituitary insufficiency, thyroid disorders and irritable bowel syndrome—the same endocrine and digestive havoc that afflicted the Jameses' parrots.
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- Re: Soy:Weston A Price Fondation Tra... Hveragerthi
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,879,856
This is all the same bogus information by the Weston Price Foundation that has been debunked so many times. They have an agenda to bash soy since soy is the biggest competitor of their largest financial supporters, the beef and dairy industries.
For example, this statement: "New data indicate that environmental estrogens such as PCBs and DDE (a breakdown product of DDT) may cause early sexual| development in girls". This has absolutely nothing to do with soy other than the fact that soy will protect the body from the dangerous effects of PCBs and DDT. Soy also protects people from the strong estrogens found in meats and dairy that are the real link between foods and early sexua| development of children.
- Re: Soy:Weston A Price Fondation Tra... chrisb1
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This is a reply to # 1,879,947However, the Weston Price Foundation are not the only organisation against the use of Soy.
Dr Mercola for example has weighed the evidence of thousands of studies in consuming soy in its unfermented state, and concluded that the risks of consuming unfermented soy products FAR outweigh any possible benefits; that is unless he also has an agenda to bash soy because of his financial support from the beef and dairy industries!!......................
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/09/18/soy-can-damage-...
AND.........
http://www.drmercola.info/soy/9-reasons-why-soy-ruins-your-health/
Other sources on the dangers of unfermented soy...........
http://www.foodrenegade.com/dangers-of-soy/
http://www.naturalhealthstrategies.com/dangers-of-soy.html
http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/soy.htm
and so on and so on and so on.
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This is a reply to # 1,880,042The internet and over hyped misinformation.
To bean or not to bean.Tis the question.
Should humans feed bean juice to infants?Answer is no.
Should humans feed infants meat juice?Answer is no.
Mercola is an honorary board member of the WAPF.He replaced guru Stephen Byrnes who died of a stroke at the age of 45.
What happens when scientists take the 24 compounds found in black bean skins.And concentrate them and feed them to rats.Well they die.
And what happens when they feed them the whole bean.They thrive.
Beware beans kill.Well only when scientists and rats are nearby.
There is no perfect food or diet.But there are many fools willing to sale it on the internet.And at a super market near you.
Disclosure most soy products are garbage,buyer beware.
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This is a reply to # 1,880,042
However, the Weston Price Foundation are not the only organisation against the use of Soy.
Dr Mercola for example has weighed the evidence of thousands of studies in consuming soy in its unfermented state, and concluded that the risks of consuming unfermented soy products FAR outweigh any possible benefits; that is unless he also has an agenda to bash soy because of his financial support from the beef and dairy industries!!......................Mercola has been debunked on various issues as I have addressed previously as well:
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1505749#i
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1578913#i
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1707797#i
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1585657#i
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1700602#i
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1733066#i
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1442763#i
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1473734#i
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1542308#i
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1881037#i
So we have Mercola making up false claims and contradicting himself multiple times such as saying soy is dangerous due to its phytoestrogens while claiming flax seed is healthy even though it is nearly 4 times higher in phytoestrogens than soy. Flax seed also contains phytates that Mercola claims are dangerous. Then claiming soy is dangerous due to the glutamate, which IS NOT present in all soy, yet he consumes a lot of cheese and other foods that contain considerably more glutamate than found in some soy products. This does show though how people will listen to anyone, no matter how much they are making up, as long as it fits their pre-conceived notions or agendas. This is also why I don't rely on propaganda sites for my information and instead rely on credible sources such as properly conducted studies.
- Re: Soy:Weston A Price Fondation Tra... chrisb1
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This is a reply to # 1,881,040H,
opinions may differ here on the benefits or otherwise of Soy, but we should bear in mind that most all Soy is now Genetically Engineered and therefore harmful, as is the consensus with all GE foods, with the exception of companies who are behind their production.
Your disagreement with Mercola and other health professionals/bodies on their stance with Soy, would be better served by taking issue with them rather than the messengers of their findings. It is also hardly likely that they have a hidden agenda against soy as you claim, with the Weston Price Foundation and their alleged Conspiracy with the meat and dairy industry. Does Mercola have a concealed agenda with espousing propaganda against Soy? Hardly likely.
Your opinion is noted, but many qualified health professionals agree that unfermented soy is a danger to health for one reason or another, and who have also relied on their conclusions from credible sources such as properly conducted studies: unless you would like to refute these.......................
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- Re: Soy:Weston A Price Fondation,mer... grassman
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This is a reply to # 1,881,075Market share for protein foods is the main issue here.
And mercola has the highest priced whey protein out there.Whey is an excellent source of clean animal protein.But what he sells is not special enough to warrant such a high price.
So when did you become a cheer leader for animal products?
Oh ya it fits your agenda for today.
The made up soy issue is such a foolish waste of time.
Maybe a smear campaign on pinto beans is in order.LOL.- Re: Soy:Weston A Price Fondation,mer... Michael B
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This is a reply to # 1,881,343oh yah so much post so little senses!
What writing anyway!
maybe begun campaine on thought process. LOL
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This is a reply to # 1,881,075opinions may differ here on the benefits or otherwise of Soy, but we should bear in mind that most all Soy is now Genetically Engineered and therefore harmful, as is the consensus with all GE foods, with the exception of companies who are behind their production.
As much as I dislike the concept of genetically modified, the fact that something is genetically modified does not make it inherently dangerous. For example, Starlite corn did kill some people although this was only in people with severe allergic reactions to peanuts. This is because it had a peanut gene spliced in to it. But this did not make it any more dangerous than peanuts themselves.
Secondly, just because something is in one part of a plant this does not mean it is present in all parts of a plant. How many people eat seedless watermelons? Do you know what is used to induce the tetraploidy in the plants to get the plants to a sterile state? The drug colchicine, which can cause severe liver damage. So why aren't the people eating these melons all developing liver failure? Because the colchicine does not end up in the fruit. So do you have any real evidence that the pesticides from GMO soy end up in the soybeans? I don't mean from newspaper articles or website articles like so many of your links below that are not studies as claimed.
Your disagreement with Mercola and other health professionals/bodies on their stance with Soy, would be better served by taking issue with them rather than the messengers of their findings.Sounds to me like one of those you only feel people should be allowed to post if you agree with what they are posting. Otherwise, why no comment to the other poster about taking up the issue with the makers of GMO soybeans and manufacturers using it instead of the people here on Curezone?
You and a few others here may not care to hear about the real facts about soy. But you do not speak for everyone. There are plenty of people here on Curezone who do not rely on propaganda sites for their information. They prefer credible sites because they are interested in the truth about things, not myths. So I post mainly for these people.
It is also hardly likely that they have a hidden agenda against soy as you claim, with the Weston Price Foundation and their allegedConspiracy with the meat and dairy industry.
Ironically if this was about someone bad mouthing a supplement then there would be all sorts of hoopla about the conspiracy of the pharmaceutical companies to suppress alternative medicines. But because it is the Weston Price Foundation, who is funded by the powerful beef and dairy industries that are threatened by the popularity of soy there could not be any conspiracy. Sure!!!
Are you aware that in some states there are laws against making disparaging remarks about dairy? And look at how the beef industry sued Oprah for reporting her feelings about beef. And then there was the dairy farmer sued for stating his milk was free of bovine growth hormone (BGH). The politicians later made doing so illegal since as they put it this implied that BGH-free milk was safer than BGH laden milk, which it is. But again the beef and dairy industries have powerful lobbies and will do what they can to hide dangers and to squash their competition just like the powerful pharmaceutical industry.
Does Mercola have a concealed agenda with espousing propaganda against Soy? Hardly likely.
I don't much about Mercola's connection to the Weston Price Foundation. But it is pretty interesting how his name comes up so often in the search engines for both, showing some clear connection.
But since you want to defend Mercola maybe you would like to explain why Mercola promotes meats and dairy that contain estrogens thousands of times stronger than the phytoestrogens in soy he claims are dangerous. Or why he pushes flax seed as a health food when it contains nearly 4 times the level of phytoestrogens as soy. Or why Mercola ignores the fact that flax seed contains phytic acid that he claims is a anti-nutrient. Or why Mercola lied about soy being high in oxalic acid. Should I go on with a list of Mercola's lies and misrepresentations? So again, what is Mercola's agenda and why does the Weston Price Foundation rely so heavily on his misrepresentations of the facts?
Your opinion is noted, but many qualified health professionals agree that unfermented soy is a danger to health for one reason or another,This is a great example of how people misrepresent the facts. Soy is almost always fermented and/or cooked before consumption. Both fermentation and cooking reduce the goitrogenic activity from the phytoestrogens found in all plants, and destroy the enzyme inhibitors in soy rendering it safe. But these facts are left out by people wishing to bash soy, just like all the other facts about soy safety that they don't want to hear since they prefer anti-soy propaganda to facts.
and who have also relied on their conclusions from credible sources such as properly conducted studies: unless you would like to refute these.......................
How many of these links are nothing more than newspaper articles or propaganda site articles? Hint, those ARE NOT studies!!! For example, numbers 2, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12............. ARE NOT studies!
And clearly you did not read the studies themselves since many support soy as healthy. For example from your first referenced study:
"In human prostate cancer cell studies, genistein and its precursor biochanin A inhibit cell growth at relatively high concentrations (Peterson and Barnes 1993)."
And from number 26:
"Although toxicity or toxic factors are terms frequently used to refer to the antinutritional properties of raw soy products, such designations are unwarranted."
"Other observations further affirm the nontoxicity of raw soybeans, as well as of other soy products. "
Of course of lot of the actual studies are in other animals than humans. And as I pointed out animal studies do not correlate to humans. And your reference number 26 also verifies this fact:
"In man, 5-10% dietary sterols is absorbed, whereas up to 32% absorption occurs in rats (175).
In your 43rd reference they state:
"Soybeans contain a number of anticarcinogens"
"Soybeans are a unique dietary source of the isoflavone genistein, which possesses weak estrogenic activity and has been shown to act in animal models as an antiestrogen. Genistein is also a specific inhibitor of protein tyrosine kinases; it also inhibits DNA topoisomerases and other critical enzymes involved in signal transduction. In vitro, genistein suppresses the growth of a wide range of cancer cells, with IC50 values ranging from 5 to 40 microM (1-10 micrograms/ml). Of the 26 animal studies of experimental carcinogenesis in which diets containing soy or soybean isoflavones were employed, 17 (65%) reported protective effects. No studies reported soy intake increased tumor development. "
I don't have time to go through all your references, but as we can see many are touting the positive effects of soy. Maybe in the future when you decide to post references to back your opinion you will actually read them before posting them as "evidence"!!!
- Re: Soy:Weston A Price Fondation Tra... Michael B
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This is a reply to # 1,881,439
So you think the beef and dairy industries are against the soy industry when cattle consume nearly 20% of the country's soy? Wrong. It's exactly the opposite scenario: They are in collaboration with the industry, which is exactly why GMO soy is so widespread: to get the cheapest, greatest yield of soy to support the beef and dairy industries which they are in collaboration with.
"And then there was the dairy farmer sued for stating his milk was free of bovine growth hormone (BGH). The politicians later made doing so illegal since as they put it this implied that BGH-free milk was safer than BGH laden milk, which it is."
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" just because something is in one part of a plant this does not mean it is present in all parts of a plant.. So do you have any real evidence that the pesticides from GMO soy end up in the soybeans? I don't mean from newspaper articles or website articles like so many of your links below that are not studies as claimed."
So cows injected with rBGH produce "BGH laden milk" to suit your arguments but...Pesticides administered to soy beans don't produce "pesticide laden soybeans"? Or melons injected with colchicine producing "colchicine laden melons"?
Even better, how about cows raised on GMO soy producing "GMO soy laden beef"? Are you really saying that a cow injected with rBGH will produce "rBGH laden milk" but a cow fed GMO soy will not produce "GMO-soy laden beef"? Let's take this one step further because you are obviously not paying attention: Do you think a HUMAN fed GMO-soy will not produce "GMO-soy laden HUMAN"? And you are the one scoffing left and right that we "don't have a basic understanding of human anatomy and physiology"?
Better start kicking and screaming for "evidence."
This is exactly the type of pseudo-"debating" that lost you the debate in the liver flush forum. Somehow you deem yourself eligible of demanding studies founded upon *reasoning* that you yourself disprove in your own post. Absolutely amazing. How about this? Let's bring together your reasoning and find out what you are really saying: " just because something is in one part of a cow this does not mean it is present in all parts of a cow.."
Hmmm now that's a statement the FDA will definitely agree with you on. As well as your idols at "sciencebasedmedicine.com".
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This is a reply to # 1,881,835What does cattle feed have to do with protein food market share?
Absolutely nothing cows do not shop for protein with money you so funny.
The body part flushing fantasy well duh.
Soy is not Monsanto it still exists as a organic bean.
So much emotional ignorance so little time.- Re: Soy:Weston A Price Fondation Tra... Michael B
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This is a reply to # 1,882,150No meaning post so no worthy of reply!
Soy just A BEAN! lol wake up ignorance!
Poorly writed to.
you NOt believe body part fantasy hundred thousands success testimonIALS you so funny~
so much emotional bad so small TIME!!!!
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- Re: Soy:Weston A Price Fondation Tra... Hveragerthi
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This is a reply to # 1,881,827
So you think the beef and dairy industries are against the soy industry when cattle consume nearly 20% of the country's soy? Wrong. It's exactly the opposite scenario: They are in collaboration with the industry, which is exactly why GMO soy is so widespread: to get the cheapest, greatest yield of soy to support the beef and dairy industries which they are in collaboration with.
You clearly do not know much about the cattle industry either. Cows are fed a number of things including hay, silage, fish pellets, cottonseed meal (which by the way is one of the heaviest pesticide laden crops out there), etc.
Secondly, the beef and dairy industry are against the sales of soy to humans since that is where they are losing profits. It does not take an economic genius to figure that out. By the way, if the dairy industry is not so opposed to soy then why are they trying to get a law passed prohibiting the naming of anything other than cow's milk as "milk"? So again you are wrong.
"And then there was the dairy farmer sued for stating his milk was free of bovine growth hormone (BGH). The politicians later made doing so illegal since as they put it this implied that BGH-free milk was safer than BGH laden milk, which it is."
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" just because something is in one part of a plant this does not mean it is present in all parts of a plant.. So do you have any real evidence that the pesticides from GMO soy end up in the soybeans? I don't mean from newspaper articles or website articles like so many of your links below that are not studies as claimed."
So cows injected with rBGH produce "BGH laden milk" to suit your arguments but...Pesticides administered to soy beans don't produce "pesticide laden soybeans"?
Again, where is the proof that any of that ends up in the soybeans? And why does it matter if the pesticides are produced by the plant through GMO or sprayed on the plant where they are taken up by the plant through the roots and leaves? So you think that spraying the pesticides on to the plants somehow magically makes them safe? Sorry, but that is not the case.
Or melons injected with colchicine producing "colchicine laden melons"?
And where did I ever say I agree with this? I see you are making things up again since you have no evidence to counter me with. Just because I know how they use colchicine to induce tetraploidy does not mean I agree with the practice. Just like I know how to make moonshine, but I don't agree with the practice.
Even better, how about cows raised on GMO soy producing "GMO soy laden beef"?
Another unsubstantiated claim.
Are you really saying that a cow injected with rBGH will produce "rBGH laden milk" but a cow fed GMO soy will not produce "GMO-soy laden beef"?
ROTFLMAO!!!! Injecting rBGH in to cows DOES NOT make the cows produce rBGH!!! Boy, some people really will believe any propaganda they read!!!
Let's take this one step further because you are obviously not paying attention: Do you think a HUMAN fed GMO-soy will not produce "GMO-soy laden HUMAN"?
Again, any REAL evidence to this claim? Not sales or propaganda sites, but actual credible studies to back this claim?
And you are the one scoffing left and right that we "don't have a basic understanding of human anatomy and physiology"?
I rely on proven evidence of how things occur in the body, not some propaganda site that will say whatever knowing that there are people out there that will fall for it.
For example, if you eat a cow will you start growing horns and develop teats and put out cow's milk? Hopefully you answered no. And why would that answer be no? Figure out the answer and you will realize why your claim is so improbable.
Better start kicking and screaming for "evidence."
I have asked you for evidence enough times for your claims. Not surprisingly you have NEVER presented any real evidence to back any of them.
This is exactly the type of pseudo-"debating" that lost you the debate in the liver flush forum.
LOL!!! I did not lose anything in the "Liver Flush Debate" forum. I was the only one that presented evidence to back my claims. The "liver flush" supporters simply kept claiming I was wrong but NEVER came up with even a single shred of evidence to prove me wrong. Anyone understanding the concept of debate would know that debate involves taking a stance and backing that stance with evidence, which is what I did over and over. When someone is unable to provide evidence to their claims, such as the "liver flush" supporters, they LOSE the debate. Which is exactly what happened with the "liver flush" supporters. That is why they resorted to the constant barrage of personal attacks on me that still continues to this day since they had no and still have no evidence to counter the evidence I presented.
Somehow you deem yourself eligible of demanding studies founded upon *reasoning* that you yourself disprove in your own post.
I have not disproven myself. You are referring to Chris, who kept claiming soy was dangerous then posted references touting the various health benefits of soy since he did not bother reading his own references before posting them. Then he referenced Mercola, who claims flax is healthy even though it is nearly 4 times higher in the phytoestrogens Mercola claims are dangerous in unfermented soy, and also are goitrogenic. Not to mention that flax also contains phytic acid Mercola claims is an antinutrient. It is like the blind leading the blind!!!
Absolutely amazing. How about this? Let's bring together your reasoning and find out what you are really saying: " just because something is in one part of a cow this does not mean it is present in all parts of a cow.."
LOL!!! You really need to learn BASIC anatomy and physiology. Did you know that if you feed a cow garlic the milk will taste like garlic but not the meat? Why is that? Simple, compounds in the garlic are passed in the milk, but it is not stored in the meat. So just because the cow is fed garlic this does not turn the cow in to garlic. This is the same reason you and the other "liver flush" supporters got your butts kicked royally on the "Liver Flush Debate" forum!!!
Hmmm now that's a statement the FDA will definitely agree with you on. As well as your idols at "sciencebasedmedicine.com".
Again you assume to much. They are not my idols. Just because they had a great article showing solid evidence against the quackery called "liver flushing" this does not mean they are my idols. You are just pissed off still that I discredited you and your buddies so bad on the "Liver Flush Debate" forum! Get over it already!!!
- Re: Soy:Weston A Price Fondation Tra... Michael B
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This is a reply to # 1,882,085
Unsatisfactory response. Highly Entertaining, as most of your rants always are, but still unsatisfactory. Which is another reason why you lost the debate in the liver flush forum.
All the "ROTFLMAO"s, "LOL's", and derisive reference to "liver flush supporters" won't change the facts. 20% of the country's soy production goes directly to feed cattle. An animal that has no natural affinity for soy is consuming 20 percent of the country's soy production? Follow the money. It is obvious beef and dairy industries are in collaboration with the soy industry in order to get the cheapest possible feed for their cattle:
"Massive US Government Subsidies for GE Soybeans"
http://www.organicconsumers.org/gefood/govtsoyloans.cfm"As the largest category within the US soy crop GM varieties are the
principal beneficiary of huge subsidies now being paid by the US government
to its soy farmers. According to the Farmers Weekly report below a
staggering figure of nearly 70% of US soy bean value now comes from the US
government. This has caused a 25% increase in soy planting in the US since
1998, and a consequent collapse in world oilseed prices."
"So cows injected with rBGH produce "BGH laden milk" to suit your arguments but...Pesticides administered to soy beans don't produce "pesticide laden soybeans"?
Again, where is the proof that any of that ends up in the soybeans? And why does it matter if the pesticides are produced by the plant through GMO or sprayed on the plant where they are taken up by the plant through the roots and leaves? "I don't want to give you the priviledge of crying for "evidence" when you are failing to address reality so why don't I just shut you down completely:
"Discovery of Bt insecticide in human blood proves GMO toxin a threat to human health, study finds
"I rely on proven evidence of how things occur in the body, not some propaganda site that will say whatever knowing that there are people out there that will fall for it."Propaganda sites like sciencebasedmedicine.com which say whatever they want knowing the masses will fall for it, which you did and still do. This is not a new story and you are not a new character here on Curezone.
- Re: Soy:Weston A Price Fondation Tra... Hveragerthi
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This is a reply to # 1,882,687
Unsatisfactory response. Highly Entertaining, as most of your rants always are, but still unsatisfactory. Which is another reason why you lost the debate in the liver flush forum.
I guess you still do not understand the basic concept of debate. Once again, in a debate the person takes a position and provides evidence to back that position as I consistently did and thus won the debates. Simply telling me I am wrong without any proof and calling me names since the "liver flush" supporters had no evidence to back their claims means they lost the debates.
All the "ROTFLMAO"s, "LOL's", and derisive reference to "liver flush supporters" won't change the facts. 20% of the country's soy production goes directly to feed cattle. An animal that has no natural affinity for soy is consuming 20 percent of the country's soy production? Follow the money. It is obvious beef and dairy industries are in collaboration with the soy industry in order to get the cheapest possible feed for their cattle:
As usual you are wrong again. My family has a cattle ranch up north and I have worked on a dairy farm so I know what they feed the cattle. As I pointed out in my earlier post this includes cottonseed meal, fish meal and hay. Since you claim soy is the cheapest feed lets compare prices:
Soybean meal is $520-530 per ton:
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/392848635/HIGH_QUALITY_SOYBEAN_MEAL_WITH_BE...
Cottonseed meal is $180-250 per ton:
http://www.alibaba.com/product-tp/121077489/Animal_feed_for_Protein_Meal_Cott...
Fish meal is $400-450 per ton:
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/277302522/fish_meal.html
And ever hear of "corn fed beef"? Corn is $180-260 per ton:
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/503863786/Lower_Price_Higher_Quality_18_Pro...
And hay is less expensive than all these feeds per ton.
So as we can see soy is the most expensive of the common feeds for cattle, not the cheapest as you falsely claimed.
And look at this:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080729185600AApEiPI
What percentage of soy and corn crops are fed to livestock?
80% of corn, 95% oats, altogether 56% of all agriculture inU.S.A. land used for beef production. 260 million acres of forest have been cleared for meat-based diet. "Divine Nature" a book by Michael A. Cremo & Mukunda Goswami - this book can be found inLibrary of Congress
"Massive US Government Subsidies for GE Soybeans"
http://www.organicconsumers.org/gefood/govtsoyloans.cfm
This is another propaganda site, the Organic Consumers Association. Do you have anything credible?
"So cows injected with rBGH produce "BGH laden milk" to suit your arguments but...Pesticides administered to soy beans don't produce "pesticide laden soybeans"?
Again, where is the proof that any of that ends up in the soybeans? And why does it matter if the pesticides are produced by the plant through GMO or sprayed on the plant where they are taken up by the plant through the roots and leaves? "
I don't want to give you the priviledge of crying for "evidence" when you are failing to address reality so why don't I just shut you down completely:
"Discovery of Bt insecticide in human blood proves GMO toxin a threat to human health, study finds
Learn more:http://www.naturalnews.com/032407_Bt_insecticide_GMOs.html#ixzz1e5tlOzuN"
- Re: Soy:Weston A Price Fondation Tra... grassman
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This is a reply to # 1,882,780Soy beans can be purchased in an organic form at nutsonline.com.
Being a paranoid dork crapping out soap stones says it all.LOL.- Re: Soy:Weston A Price Fondation Tra... Michael B
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This is a reply to # 1,882,812
Buy some balls online while you're at it. Then maybe you won't be such a follower
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- Re: Soy:Weston A Price Fondation Tra... Michael B
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This is a reply to # 1,882,780
You've got to be kidding me. Once again, your response is highly unsatisfactory. The site about subsidies is obvioiusly not propaganda, it's referenced from the farmers weekly report. Here is another study http://nyu.academia.edu/KellyMoltzen/Papers/379987/Subsidies_and_Specialty_Cr...
Where it even says specifically the reason behind so much subsidization: to feed livestock. To give an idea of how ridiculous your idea of debate is, look at the link you posted for the price of soy meal:
"Brief Description:
Soybean meal is good feed for animals .Our soymeal is produced by expelling whole organic soybeans without additives, chemic ..."ORGANIC soybeans! You need to have a "time-out" in the corner for that one.And unless your family's "cattle ranch up north" is part of the factory farming Beef industry that you yourself are referencing, it is highly irrelevant.Any more entertainment?- Re: Soy:and its internet delusion.
grassman
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This is a reply to # 1,882,891Certifiable beans can easily be acquired on the market today.
It is amazing how much emotional weakness is attached to food.
Funny stuff gullibility and internet misinformation makes for a flush of ones brain.
The zone in its true glory.LOL.- Re: Soy:and its internet delusion.
Michael B
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This is a reply to # 1,882,904
Types but without very convince about itself! Beans can buy at ONLINE!LOL.
It is exactly at amazing at precisely how much gullibility in the ZONE.LOL.Tis the question. Why lines type but hit reTURN space?
Emotional attach? Answer.NO
Maybe. Meat juice for brains? Answer.YES
So more emotional ignorants! So little TIIIIMME!!!
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grassman
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This is a reply to # 1,882,908Well it seems that you flushed one to many times.
Organic soy beans do exist.
Celery has toxins.
So does most plant life.
Part of survival.
Liver serves purpose.
Flushing not it.
That`s why there`s no handle.
Me had steak tonight,not grass fed.Yummy.
I hug tree tomorrow then cut it down for fireplace.
Cold here in winter.LOL++.
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- Re: Soy:Weston A Price Fondation Tra... chrisb1
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This is a reply to # 1,882,780Not that I normally quote the FDA on anything, but I just had to quote these, with 288 references to the toxicity of soy, in the FDA’s poisonous plants database...............
http://www.westonaprice.org/images/pdfs/fdasoyreferences.pdf
Happy reading Hv.
Chrisb1.
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