Re: Man who lost 80 lbs in 60 days juice fast and filmed it

Look I didn't just fall off the turnip truck. I've been doing this for quite a while and have been around Curezone for more that 10 years. What you are stating is the "obvious" and you know all the 50 cent words to describe people with "specific" conditions. For the sake of brevity and to address the vast majority of dieters that have started to take over fasting forums with ridiculous things like you said about the hot chocolate on a fast or fasting on diet soda for 65 days. Those are the folks in the majority and the ones with specific issues are the ones to be addressed on an individual basis according to their specific conditions. If I was to get into a page long missives as you just posted I would spend all my time on the internet.

The starting point to address any of these complex issues you allude to will always beging with a "radical lifestyle change" and as I always say just not in this particular post is that it will take education and most of all experimentation till each finds their own groove. It will always be a "work in progress" and not some cackling in the fasting for weight loss forum about some guy that lost 80 lbs because he juice fasted.

Every one will benefit from some form of regular exercise no if and or buts about it and barring the very specific conditions you mention the fastest and most efficient way to loose weight and "get healthy" is to "exercise till you are blue in the face". We know what I mean by exercise and this does but equate to "Working harder than 90% of society" and wearing that as some sort of badge of honor since  the occupational hazards of repetative action motion are well known. It may not apply in your case but you also cannot readily dismiss it. Also I would suggest that you take a detailed and most of all "honest" look at what you are refering to as "eating a somewhat healthy diet". I am personally as guilty as anyone else when looking at at what I thought was a relatively healthy diet. When all is said and done and reality hits the fan the real answer is different when the personal "not I" filters comes off. Genetics? Absolutely!! but this is something you can't do a damm thing about and the sooner that you stop looking for "external" causes the sooner you are able to deal with any issues you may have

I did NOT say that obesity is the cause of any disease. My specific words were "obesity is a health issue" "it is not a thing in and of itself" that pretty much covers the fulcrum of my statement and quite different from the words you are putting in my mouth.

I am not assuming anything I'm just going by my years of personal experience and more that 10 years around Curezone. I generally will look at a persons posting history before I address them. I was around when the MC forum and the water fasting forum just about became useless because of the cackling disfunctional chronic dieters and finally the fasting for weightloss forum had to be created so intelligent useful discussions could be carried out for those that understood that fasting was so much more than weightloss diet.