Re: 3 Coffee Enemas = Opened the Liver Floodgates. Uny?

First of all, allow me this tiny 'soapbox rant', if you will (thank you).   Hmmmmm, all those stones after doing CE's and castor oil packs (both which are known to increase the flow of bile & decongest the liver & gallbladder).  Yet the 'Truth Experts' say it's impossible for an intrahepatic or gallbladder stone to fit through the common bile duct...and the stones we see are formed by the mixture of olive oil, citrus and digestive fluids 'saponifying' to create stones when we do a liver flush.

But wait...you didn't report ingesting any oil, avocado or anything else that could "saponify into stones"!  And the stones you're seeing now are mixed with liver flukes and other debris that are clearly from the liver & gallbladder!  And what you're seeing is the same as when you did ingest avocado (high in oil that can flush the liver/gb)!  And since you're taking IF#2 5x daily, if these stones had been created in your digestive tract, they would be composed of substantial amounts of the IF#2 blend. 

I have five very reliable senses.  With a stethescope (or many times without) I can hear the flow of bile and the movement of debris in the liver & gallbladder.  As I'm listening, many times I can actually feel the stones & debris moving and vibrating, both internally and with my hand, externally.  (I've actually had many times when I've felt & heard stone/s move. then felt them stop in my gallbladder, then experienced a total lack of sound of the previously flowing bile in the same area, then felt twinges of discomfort...all to end in an explosive sound and the internal sensation of stones moving at the same time my hand vibrated and felt them moving - followed by the sounds of the bile flow returning.  Several hours later, I can see what I had previously heard and felt.  And before I turn around to look at them, I can smell them...and there is a DISTINCT smell when releasing stale bile & liver/gb stones & debris that is unlike ANY smell that has ever eminated from my digestive tract.  The only thing I can't do is 'taste that they're real'.  

I find it ludicrous that there are people that would expect us to deny empirical evidence, deny the experiences of thousands of other people, and totally deny what we actually see, hear, feel, and smell with our own senses...because they present 'scientific evidence' that it's impossible to release stones from the liver & gallbladder.  :::stepping off soapbox now:::

WOWZAH!  I applaud your diligence, your efforts, your results and your healing momentum!  GREAT WORK!!!

What do I recommend?  Well, the first thing is to understand that there are basically four quandrants in our liver - and what comes out is what is closest to the 'exit door' (the gallbladder).  I have seen instances where people have the type of 'spontaneous flushes' that you had initially from the avocado and/or from CE's, castor oil packs, reflexology...and then were extremely confused, frustrated and disappointed that the oil/citrus flush didn't yield very much.  Only to find that a few 'flushes later' they continued to release stones.  Basically, I think it's reasonable to assume (just like with any plumbing clog in extremelyconvoluted/complex tubing), that once the major clog is 'broken through'  there's going to be a HUGE release of debris that had been pushed forward against the clog...and once that initial release is gone, it takes awhile for the rest of the debris to move forward to the exit.   That being the case, I don't think you can determine from what you've seen so far that your liver/gallbladder are desperate for an oil/citrus flush.  Of course, we can't assume that it's not, either.  That being the case...

You're reporting that your kidneys and spleen are aching...and when our body gives us 'pain messages', it's always wise to listen...the trick of course, is knowing the language and the physiology well enough to be able to correctly interpret what we're hearing.  What we know:

--Your gallbladder is not "blocked" (unlike many that have to do 4-8 flushes just to start releasing substantial amounts of stones) - the debris and stones are coming out with only the assistance of the castor oil pack and CE's.  This means there is not a substantial clog in the gallbladder - bile is flowing & gurgling freely now even when you're not doing a CE or COP (Castor Oil Pack).  So this may be a good time to take a 'liver break'...if you feel you need to take a break.

--You're expressing that you're tired and feel like you might need to take a 'liver break' :)

--Your kidneys seem to be expressing that they could use a bit of attention...as does your spleen.  (I've been researching 'all things spleen' --past the baseline knowledge that I already had--, and it seems the spleen is a bit more complex than previously assumed by many.  While it certainly does act very similar to a 'great big lymph node' in many respects,  I'm seeing a strong connection between the spleen, the immune system and the potential for Accutane damage).  Typically the "lymphatic herbs" are recommended for the spleen, but it's becoming quite clear to me that Echinacea is going to be very important in healing and restoring the spleen after taking Accutane.

--Continuing with the IF#2 is only going to help the liver and gallbladder to be able to expel more debris - so you wouldn't be 'ignoring' your liver/gb by switching over to the kidneys.

--Dr. Schulze generally recommends "one week liver; one week kidneys" while simultaneously utlizing the IF#1/IF#2 (with juicing and strong 'support therapies', of course)

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Suggestions -

--If you got the Blood Detox Tincture with your 5/10 day Liver cleanse package, then it is a FANTASTIC blend for supporting the lymphatic system, hence spleen....supporting the lymphatic system while cleansing the liver is a VERY good thing.  But you can use the Blood Detox anytime during any cleanse.

--I strongly suggest 4 oz of Echinacea to go along with any 'spleen treatment' after using Accutane (but don't have all the details into a "postable format yet)

--You could do the 5-day Kidney Cleanse and add the Blood DeTox/Echinacea tinctures during those 5 days.  Echinacea is extremely beneficial to the skin (something very few people realize).  This would give your liver/you a rest from the harsh liver purging & detoxification.

--You could take a "juicing-IF#1/IF#2" break and just use castor oil packs and reflexology on your kidneys/spleen for a couple of days and see how that goes before making a decision (that would give you the time to get whatever tinctures you may decide to utilize).

If it were me that had written what you'd written (doing my best to imagine how you're feeling)...I would likely take a 2-3 day break (juicing, eating purely, IF#1/IF#2, but no aggressive cleansing) using the castor oil packs on spleen/kidneys, and maybe add an activated charcoal poultice over the kidneys during the night.  If I had any liver pain or distress during that time, I'd likely go ahead with the CE's and 5-Day Liver cleanse (with the Blood Detox) instead of the Kidney Cleanse (IF my kidneys had stopped aching) - ending on Day 6 with a oil/citrus liver flush.  If my kidneys had not stopped aching, I would do the Kidney Cleanse and add the Blood Detox and Echinacea for my spleen during the Kidney cleanse (then get another bottle of Blood Detox for my upcoming "liver week").

I definitely think SOME kind of a small break is in order.  I hope this is enough information to assist you interpreting what you're healing and sensing from your doctor within.  I'm quite confident that as long as you don't get "antsy-pantsy-impatient" :::wink:::, you'll end up making the choice that is the best for you & your body every day!

Blessings,

Uny