Re: Bloating and gaining weight on home-made milk kefir.

 Now I think I know why you were away for more than usual here in your forum. Having to spend so much time fencing with Tony Isaacs must be a drag!!!

It has been a lot more than simply dealing with Tony.  There is a lot of stuff going on right now that I have been trying to deal with so I have been spending less time on CZ anyway.

But I was amazed that you did, and must admit that my regard for you increased while reading the debate! BRAVO!

Thanks.  I have this thing about people playing games.  It really pisses me off and makes me dig in even more.  it is like when my ex-business partner started his "games" with me.  It backfired on him big time.  I ended up filing 148 criminal charges against him so he fled the country for 7 years.  Then I filed a lawsuit against him and spent the next 3 1/2 years beating up his attorneys.  I got rid of his attorneys one by one and he was on his 5th attorney when I won the case.  And it is not necessarily over yet.  I have been seriously considering taking both him and his mom in to Federal Court for some related fraud issues.  But the more he decided to drag things out to get me to give up and to play lying games I just dug in my heels even more.  He probably spent more on attorneys than what the judgment came out to.

In my opinion Tony is a lower life form than my ex-business partner not only because of his constant lies and blame games, but also for the comment he made about a well respected poster here.  Rational people simply do not use someone's disorder to cut them down.  

Although, if I may say, and please don´t take me wrong for it, I suggest you do not let him get to you. Just breath, relax, laugh and THEN answer. I could "feel" the speed of your typing (some mistakes you do not usually make) because of your indignation (which was absolutely comprehensible).

It was more than typing fast.  It was also a severe lack of sleep.  Luckily I have a chance to catch up a little over the last couple of days.

The hotter you got, the cooler he went. That´s his game with people yes!

Yes, he does love the tactic of inciting people as much as he can then trying to play Mr. Nice Guy so the other person looks like the aggressor.  Then he blames the other person for starting what he started and gets his followers to back him despite the evidence to the contrary being presented.  But the worst part was when he was sending PMs to people to recruit them in to attacking me as well on the board.  I still think the Webmaster should have banned him for such a tactic, or at least removed him as the moderator for the Cancer Support Forum.  I even filed a complaint with the Webmaster days ago about being banned from the Webmaster Forum even though Tony was never banned as one of the biggest TOS violators on CZ, and about his other antics on the Cancer Support Forum and Cancer Debate Forum.  And as usual the Webmaster has not responded to my PM.

Funny thing though is that the more he attacks and plays games the more I expose the fact that the evidence shows oleander does not really work for cancer according to the only human study that has been presented.  So he is hurting his own credibility big time.

So try and outgame him in his own game by just using the more facts you can and the knowledge you have and he doesn´t. Make technical questions and let him expose himself through his superficial answers. He cannot go deep into matters, he knows many things, but quite superficially, as do all good charlatans...so that´s where you can really expose him and get HIM to be hot!

A big part of his game is also to stir debate when I expose oleander (Sutherlandia OPC, Anvirzel) as ineffective according to the human, not petri dish study, so that if I fight back he has a valid excuse to hide the post or the thread, or to move it to the debate forums where less people will see that it does not work as claimed.