Re: Bye ya'll!
I do not see any anger in vitamixgirl (vektek) for moreless. Just sadness and oppression over his "tis your choice" attitude.
Once again Romans 9 makes it clear
11 though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad—in order that God's purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls— 12 she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”
14 What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! 15 For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”
And here is the kicker
16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.
Moreless and you refreshed have said just the opposite that it solely depends on you human will or exertion.