Re: Advice

 This post is to ask advice for anyone out there who couldn't tolerate Quantum C and Liponano C.

Anyone out there start Lam's program, then discontinue due to not being able to tolerate his reccomended supplements? With Quantum C, I get very energetic, shaky, then severely fatigued for the rest of the day. The following 3 days are filled with crashes. With Liponano C, I get instantly fatigued, nauseas, and stomach upset for the rest of the day.

I would not touch either one of these products. 

First of all the Quantum C uses camu camu for a vitamin source. Normally natural sources of vitamin C are more stable than their synthetic counterparts. But camu camu is an exception to that rule.  Camu camu is extremely unstable. The berries have to be dried as quickly as possible once harvested since the vitamin C in the berries is rapidly destroyed by oxidation. Heat cannot be used though as this will further destroy the C from oxidation.  So either way the losses of vitamin C upon drying of camu camu are going to be significant.  Therefore camu camu may be the highest source of natural C when fresh, but this is not the case by the time the berries are dried.

Of more concern though it their use of  Aphanizomenon flos-aquae blue-green algae. Actually this is not a true algae but rather a cyanobacteria.  Aphanizomenon flos-aquae is toxic containing both microcystins that are toxic to the liver and anatoxins.  Anatoxins are chemical cousins of cocaine, which is why this cyanobacteria is so stimulatory.  But cocaine analogues are not a good thing for anyone, especially those with adrenal fatigue. But this explains the energetic and shaky feeling you get from the product.  Here are a few old posts I have written on Aphanizomenon flos-aquae:

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1463459#i

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1464057#i

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1631193#i

As for the Liponano C this is just not anywhere natural. They are basically binding lecithin phospholipids to the C to make it lipid (fat) soluble. If nature intended vitamin C to be lipid soluble then it would be naturally lipid soluble.  I worry about how the body would react to something that nature does not create.  Just like how pharmaceutical drugs made from natural sources create side effects that we do not see from the natural source. Nature often has a reason for things being designed the way they are designed. For example saponins can provide a variety of benefits for the body even though they are not absorbed from the gut. The reason that they are not absorbed from the gut is because they would destroy our red blood cells if they were to get in to the bloodstream. So our systems are designed to prevent their absorption. But mankind always thinks they are smarter than Nature and tries to tweak natural substances to make them absorbable or whatever.  What we often end up with though are unexpected side effects. Vitamin C is naturally water, not lipid soluble. How do we know that the phospholipids are not going to cause the vitamin C to incorporate in places it would not normally incorporate leading to an adverse alteration of the cellular chemistry?