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Why do my "sins" need to be washed away, and why do I need to be a new creation? Wasn't I created correctly the first time? Does god make us "wrong" the first time, so that we need to be created anew? The plan of the "almighty" seems flawed....if god can do anything, why didn't "he" make us perfect? why do we need to be saved or born again?

The pictures in this video look joyful and free, but that is not my observation of the fearful christians I know, as well as the defensive and sometimes less than loving (understatement) christians on this forum....

In your opinion, where am I going when I die?

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- Re: I am a new creation! beej 15 y 3,294
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