I don't know about the cream stuff and such, but I do know from reading other posts on these boards, that mostly everyone that had their bladder taken out, regrets it and they still have the same pains they had before. Definitly try the liver, gall bladder flush and listen to others on this forum that may have had similiar problems. We are all interested in hearing if you had success with your flush. what the heck, maybe I'll join you this weekend just for moral support.