Re: Whatever you say Hver -- Re: Echinacea & Cancer! (+edit) :) :) :) Re: 2 year old with kidney cancer

 ...I am NOT going to be drawn into discussing all the "scientific mumbo jumbo" with you. I am FAR more interested in what it actually DOES that what "science" reports it does. I'll take empirical evidence over a "study" ANY day.

Translation: "I will believe what I want to believe regardless if there is no evidence to back it or even if the evidence disproves it, which is why I prefer to argue that to research the facts".

As several respected CZ posters & healers can attest, it clearly seems that anyone that doesn't interpret studies according to your liking is someone you've "proven wrong".

LOL!!! The people I have had problems with here are the ones that generally don't even rely on studies or anything known about science or medicine. Instead they make up their own science, and the ones that do try to follow the science only follow whatever studies sound like they may back their OPINION, rather than looking at all the studies to find the real FACTS!!!

Remember, the "scientific truths in medicine" that are accepted as "true" today will be disproven and/or substantially changed in future decades. In my opinion, anyone that "holds fast" to the scientific paradigms of their era...will likely go down with the ship.

Again that can go both ways. The studies you posted may not pan out when the studies are repeated PROPERLY and without conflict of interest.

Echinacea has been used for over a century safely and effectively by hundreds of healers and millions of people...and that's not only fresh plants, but teas & tinctures from dried roots.

See, you refuse to research the chemistry of the herb to understand its instability. You would rather argue because if you actually looked at the evidence you may not like what you find. By the way, many of those millions used the fresh root, or properly tinctured herb, and/or used it combined with other herbs that are more stable like the berberine herbs like goldenseal. So you can spend all day putting your little spin on your opinion, but you still cannot argue with the facts!!!