Re: Thank you, BUT...
Hveragerthi, you seem very passionate about your knowledge of these things, and I do appreciate your response to my concerns (even if you think I don't!). Did you successfully heal your body of candida symptoms?
The reason the "therapeutic" levels recommended for calcium and magnesium are so high is because they are based on the ingestion of calcium carbonate and magnesium oxide. These are the most poorly absorbed forms of calcium and magnesium on the market. So the high doses by supplement are recommended on the false assumption that increasing the intake will force more absorption to compensate for the poor absorption. We do not need such high levels if our calcium and magnesium are derived from better sources such as foods.
First of all the calcium can contribute to migraines. You want magnesium, not calcium to help prevent migraines. Migraines start with strong vasoconstriction, which is the "aura" people experience. Then the blood vessels rebound vasodilate leading to the inflammation that gives the migraine its other symptoms. The reason magnesium is used to treat migraines is because it acts like a natural calcium channel blocker. Calcium contracts muscles including blood vessels, which is why calcium channel blockers are used to lower blood pressure and treat migraines. They keep calcium from contracting the blood vessels. Increasing magnesium intake helps to keep calcium from contracting blood vessels by antagonizing the calcium. If you take calcium with the magnesium the magnesium will not work as well as it has to deal with antagonizing the calcium from the supplement as well as the calcium causing the blood vessel constriction.
Actually, the supplement I originally referenced had both cal and mag in the form of CITRATE. No mention anywhere on the label of carbonate or oxide.
As a sufferer of migraines for 15 years, this is the FIRST I have heard that Calcium may contribute to migraines. Did you actually mean if cal / mag ratios are out of whack? I have seen numerous conventional medicine headache specialists, as well as natural healers, acupuncturists / Chinese Medicine practitioners, raw foods counselors, and macrobiotics practitioners throughout the years and NEVER has any of them said Calcium can contribute to migraines. I'm curious of this - can you point me in the direction of studies you've read where this has been proven?
Why then, does viritually every book I get my hands on say to take the ratio of cal / mag that I noted intially - or even more. I can immediately reference my copy of the popular Prescription for Nutritional Healing 3rd edition by Balch and Balch, p. 519 recommending 2000mg cal to 1000 mg mag b/c these "minerals help to regular muscular tone and to transmit nerve impulses throughout the body and by the brain." What do YOU know that these well-known specialist and the aforementioned individuals I've seen through the years DON'T?
I do not get migraines with auras.
Maybe the reason that you did not get a direct answer is because what you are asking is impossible to answer. Candida growth is not just governed by sugar. Alkalinity also plays a role in promoting Candida growth. And orally ingested sugars are not the only source of sugar the Candida can feed on. The body also generates its own sugars from proteins, fats, lactic acid, etc., a process known as gluconeogenesis.
I agree, and know that already. I guess because the supplements I noted did not have additional items in them commonly associated with candida overgrowth, i.e. dairy, yeast, I focused on the sugar aspects. My apologies if I asked a stupid question.
As for the multivitamin oxidizers only work in the presence of moisture. As an example I can take a handful of powdered bleach and put it on a colored towel. The bleach will not touch the towel though until I add water, which allows the oxidation to take place. The same principle applies to vitamins. When water is added to the vitamin the process of oxidation is sped up, which quickly deteriorates the vitamin. To show you how fast this can occur back in high school we did an experiment with synthetic vitamin C commonly sold in health food stores. We took 3 samples and exposed one to light, one to heat, and one to water all of which promote oxidation. About 40 minutes later we tested all three samples for vitamin C. In all 3 cases the vitamin C was completely destroyed in that short time.
I can't remember high school as it was YEARS and YEARS ago, but thank you for the information. So, basically what you're saying is that LIQUID multis are junk...OR ALL MULTIS are junk? I concede that whole foods are ALWAYS better.
You cannot kill off the Candida because it is a natural part of the body. The probiotics will kill some of the Candida, but the primary effect of the probiotics is to generate acids (lactic acid, acetic acid, fatty acids) that keep the Candida in a yeast form rather than its pathogenic fungal form.
I know it is a natural part of the body and only appears to be a problem when it overwhelms the good bacteria. In a Bacteriology Culture done, it was found I have ZERO beneficial bacteria. The amounts came out 0+ for Bifidobacter, E.coli, and Lactobacillus.
I am not sure of which post you are referring to. It could have been one of the posts discussing the many aspects of the immune system. Or it could have been someone asking about how to address Candida. Your question was not about how to get the Candida under control. Your question was when to take the probiotics, which I believe I answered.
No, it was a thread started six days ago called "Best way to take a probitioic supplement."
That's fine, but I was trying to help you avoid wasting a lot of money on supplements that are not going to do much like liquid vitamins. I also write under the assumption that you are not the only person that is going to be reading this so I tend to expand on things for others to learn from as well.
Thanks. I'm all for saving money, but I also want to get well. The majority of your comments regarding supplementation are opposite of
virtually ALL that I have read or been told in the last 15 years for the treatment of migraines and the last 10 years in the on-again / off-again treatment of candida.
I suppose you would say that I am NOT well BECAUSE of what I just noted; however, I have NOT been actively taking a role in really treating the migraines or candida until these past 6-9 months. I also have gastritis, adrenal fatigue, PMS I deal with as well.
That being said, how do I know what you're saying is accurate? Have you healed yourself of something? Do you have a biochemistry and / or medical background? Can you point me toward legitimate studies re: the poor quality of liquid multis, the fact that calcium causes migraines, etc.?
I am very curious to get to the truth about these things.