--Calling folks Liars or Not?--You decide--

Hi presterjohn64,

Your question: I did read those threads, which came after_ he was banned, but I would not call anything accusations, they may read as insulting or derogatory but that is nothing new to Curezone. And many of those people have been here long enough I doubt they haven't encountered it many times before. It's just part of the culture of negativity here that one can get sucked into if they're not on guard. In the beginning his posts did not read that way. It's a culture of negativity that can get even the best of us. But accusations...come on really, this is not a courtroom. That's a strong word that isn't even applicable in the context of an online forum-- any so-called accusation simply would carry no weight whatsoever. If some stranger were to "accuse" me of anything on CZ, I would truly get a laugh. Now, being met at my door with some men in suits who take me away to some undisclosed place and tell me that I'm accused of terrorism or something, now that's a different story.

But that isn't relevant b/c the negative communications b/t him and those people were likely a reaction to being banned and came after he was banned. So do you really believe that he was calling us liars? I don't see any evidence of that, so I asked him to be sure.

Answer: I know you mean well and are trying to bring order to this forum again to remove this back and forth commenting and that is good.

These quotes of hveragerthi: "your so called testimonials are hardly evidence. Anyone can make up fake testimonials."

"And who is to say that Moreless is not spending hours each night making up a lot of the testimonials himself to make himself look bigger?" End quotes.

Who in their right mind would make statements like this without checking out the Facts to see if the Success Testimonials were written by the posters as stated?

When someone suggests to you that your Success Testimonials are Fake, what is one to belive they are stating besides calling you a Liar?

Reply by refreshed to Grz: Grz, he accused me of judging him. I don't know why he can't see us as individuals who are very happy with our lives and with our health and just be glad for us. I would be happy for him if he received healing with his herbs.

He comes to curezone apparently not to find healing like we did. So one has to ask...why is he here...perhaps he feels he can teach? So why doesn't he just start his own forum or is he just here to bitch to make himself feel important? Does he think he is an alternative health form of the FDA?

If he thinks I'm judging him for being medically minded then all I have to say is...if you quack like a duck, people will think you are a duck until you do the opposite of a duck.

BTW: I like ducks....no judgment.


Hveragerthi reply to refreshed: Don't project your own faults onto me. Maybe you are here to bitch to make yourself feel better

refreshed reply to Hveragerthi: Who's study will you trust Mr. H? You don't trust the testimonials on the ML forum...

Hveragerthi reply to refreshed: True, and I have explained why several times in the past.

My Answer: if a person will check above they will find that hveragerthi has Claimed the Success Testimonials are Fake, thus Implying that those posting them are Liars !

Then refreshed ask Hveragerthi : "Do you believe and trust in God?"

Hveragerthi Refused to say yes or no?

Why would one refuse to acknowledge God and Refuse to answer such a Simple question and not go ahead and say they believed in God and trusted him, Unless they didn't?

As to the Success Testimonials most of them may be found under RN or ~RN except those few wiped out by the crash which I had saved and entered into the list in question !

One may find the exact date and time and by whom the orginal post was made if they need proof !

When someone states these things: Quote: "Anyone can make up fake testimonials"

"And who is to say that Moreless is not spending hours each night making up a lot of the testimonials himself to make himself look bigger?"

What is this Implying?

It is not Implying that the Success Testimonials are Lies, it sure isn't Implying that those who 1st posted them are telling the Truth !

Didn't he use the word "Fake"?

Is it not Implying that those who 1st posted them are Liars !

I will not go to any more effort to pull up the many more posts where Hveragerthi has directly Implied or called folks Liars !

Either he is Implying folks are Liars or he isn't you decide !

One cannot state that the Success Testimonials are Fake and mean they are Truth?

It has to be one or the other !

Either they are calling the Success Testimonials Fake and Implying the Fine folks who posted them to be Liars or they aren't?

Cause and Effect !

You decide !

Smile Tis your choice.