jeffthebat, thankyou for replying, I will go to the library tomorrow I hadn't thought of that, I feel like I've been dieting all my life, as I said in my first post I used to be huge 136 kilos, and had to have a lot of surgery to get the extra skin off, but over the past 12 months have gained 15 kilos and want to get it off, fasting is the only thing that works for me now, but have lost the willpower to start, I have had so many starts in the last few months I feel like I will never make it, that's why I joined up to this site hoping it may motivate me more, anyways I'll give it ago again tomorrow and check back tomorrow nite[ its 10.40 pm thurs] here in aus.