hey guys, thanks for that, you know i think i might give it a try......i ate yesterday, probs about 1000cals all told and i weighed in today 4lbs lighter than friday morning so it does work.....i haven't eaten anything today as yet, i'm filling up on water and herbal tea at the mo and not feeling too bad, i might try with the e.o.d. fasting also, i'm gonna play it by ear for now :)