Why was this quote sent to me? 
rudenski
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"When your heart becomes the grave of your secret,
that desire will be gained more swiftly.
Peace upon he who keeps secret his innermost thoughts;
He will soon attain the object of his desire.
For when seeds are buried in the earth,
their inward secrets become the flourishing garden."
I am a little nervous about the contents of this quote. I am not sure but if I read it correctly then should I bury my NDE back in the place where it was born and keep my silence? I am weak to rely on words but words keep coming out and I don't know what to do but write them... I visit here and a few other places out in the world of words... Should I hold my tongue? Does saying or writing about our NDE's plant our experiences in the wrong medium for it to grow into what it was born to become?
A flower garden doesn't have to use words to express herself. She draws the gardener to her seeds by instilling in the gardener a secret joy of what she will become and then universe draws those seeds to the rich soil of her
marriage bed... the earth then marries those seeds to sunshine and rain... Few thoughts need ever be revealed through the process yet when the secret gardener's work is done...something wonderful occurs...
Are our written or spoken hopes only exposed to the whims of careless spirits that roam the earth seeking whom they can devour? I think perhaps most who have NDE's never say a word about their NDE's? It diminishes the experience somehow to say anything at all about our experiences yet I can not hold my tongue for some reason.
Having been uprooted from the world of death and dying... my soul went to the light and found the greatest expression of love... yet having found love...I turned my face away from that love and fell back into a body once again.
Now, I have returned and I can not understand how I can be a child of two dimensions... only partially re-planted here in the rich soil of the earth.... while my soul remains firmly planted in the place where the still quiet voice of love spoke to my heart.... I am here now...living in a world where everything dies but I long to run back to where nothing dies.
If I were to never say another word about my NDE again... I could let my actions speak for themselves. I have a feeling that I have said too much at times yet gentle spirits have come along to encourage me on...
I don't know exactly what I am trying to say this morning. Perhaps, I hope somehow that when I speak of heaven that other souls don't think I am just being arrogant and puffing myself up as being worthy of entering into its gates. I do not deserve the love that I found that awaits us all on the other side... yet somehow I have been given the gift of remembering something extraordinary...and from the fullness of my heart... I can't seem to help myself...so here I am again...crawling back to words again...and spilling them out on the world ... These are my thoughts this morning...- Re: Why was this quote sent to me? Zoebess
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This is a reply to # 964,541I did not send this quote to you, but would like
to comment since I actually met a person whose
philosophy was very similar to the quote-sender's.
It did not matter if it was truth, he felt that
it was diminished by saying it aloud. He felt vulnerable
in speaking the *un*speakable. Almost like it was
not polite to mention things (in this case I was
mirroring to him a reality of his giftedness he
was unwilling to face, but was facing, since I also
have giftedness and struggle to accept the harder
aspects of it)and that hopefully in keeping silent,
perhaps the reality would go away like a dream or
a memory not memorized over and over, may fade.
So, I would be of the opinion that it is fear
that perhaps was a motivation. I would also like
to say that I am grateful that you share your
experiences and observations of how your NDE
has impacted your life. I have also had similar
experiences and am inspired by your sharing since
it is difficult for me to speak about them as
I am unable to put them in a context which does
not make me feel like I know enough about what
happened and continue to feel a burden of some
responsibility to share with others but it is
my fear of not being understood which keeps me
mulling it over and over again in my own mind.
As I have shared with you before, it is like
the story of the 5 blind men trying to describe
an elephant when each of them is grasping only
a part of one. It is in your sharing your part
and understanding of what happened that has been
comforting to me, although I probably have not
told you that before. Please continue your goal
of planting seeds of a higher consciousness and
reality so that those of us who have ears to
hear your message *will* hear, and be healed.
blessings and gratitude,
Zoe
-_-- Re: Why was this quote sent to me? rudenski
17 y
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MoreThis is a reply to # 964,549You planted that seed about the elephant and the blind men some time ago and my latest journey has been to teach the blind to see without eyes... I think somehow this place is just a resting place on the journey... It is interesting how we wash back and forth across each other's lives here in this forum... Sometimes the veil becomes lifted and I see you in me and me in you....souls intertwined...amongst all souls... until when the last soul looks into the face of love and doesn't turn her back....all souls are one...
- Re: Why was this quote sent to me? Zoebess
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This is a reply to # 964,826For those of us who return, and by choice,
life will forever be seen with eyes that have
been re-opened by the power of love and the memory
of having been shown that there is a better way
is one we can never forget.
You do have consequence and we are both on the
same path. Keep remembering and allowing those
memories to color your world here in such a way
that those who can see, will be uplifted...
blessings always,
Zoe
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- Re: Why was this quote sent to me? Zoebess
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- Re: Why was this quote sent to me? rudenski
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- Re: Why was this quote sent to me? Infinitelove
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This is a reply to # 964,541'I don't know exactly what I am trying to say this morning. Perhaps, I hope somehow that when I speak of heaven that other souls don't think I am just being arrogant and puffing myself up as being worthy of entering into its gates. I do not deserve the love that I found that awaits us all on the other side... yet somehow I have been given the gift of remembering something extraordinary...and from the fullness of my heart... I can't seem to help myself.'
I can only speak for myself, Rudenski, but I must witness that the person who sent you that text is a person who for his own reasons/edification has determined that keeping silent 'works'...imo, he is remiss in the acknowledgement that he holds that perspective for himself & to assume it upon another is shortsighted.
I am so very grateful for the time, effort and heartfelt 'giving' you demonstrate by sharing your experience. With all the various opinions 'out there' with regards to what is capable of being experienced on the other side, I find much comfort in your tale. This human experience can be brutal at times, and acknowledging the 'hope' that there's something everlasting, beautiful & loving patiently waiting for ALL of our individual's completion of this sojourn, has been a source of true comfort to me and many others, I'm certain :-)
Gratitude to you, Rudy...- A sign post along the way rudenski
17 y
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MoreThis is a reply to # 964,571"This human experience can be brutal at times, and acknowledging the 'hope' that there's something everlasting, beautiful & loving patiently waiting for ALL of our individual's completion of this sojourn"
Yes... I forgot...that is why I come here.... It is true... No sooner than we leave this life then we enter the next... That is why I am here...
- A sign post along the way rudenski
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- Re: Why was this quote sent to me? boldyloxx
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This is a reply to # 964,541rudenski, I don't agree with that quote. While it is true to be careful not tell ALL people your experiences who are not ready to hear them yet-- The Near Death Experience forum is the right place for sharing these experiences, and many of us desire to read them. Whomever sent you that quote was out of line-, though they may have been well-intentioned, they were presumptious to think they speak for all of us.
I find ND experiences of others very encouranging in my own spiritual growth.
To supress these experiences deprives us all of being enriched and encouraged.
Here's a quote to whomever sent you that quote!: "Blocking all Sunlight causes depression, Vitamin deficency, confusion and death."- Re: Why was this quote sent to me? rudenski
17 y
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This is a reply to # 964,744By chance I came across another who had a near death experience and they were saying almost the same words I say...and it lifted my spirit... knowing I was not alone...
I discovered the truth about God who is love and yet I met another and lesser being who is the father of this world... He is the ruler of this place down here in the underworld... I could not find another who experienced this other being in the way I have been shown...and I discerned the difference between the two...still somehow... I can't stop myself from saying what I have seen. I could say everything is going to be fine and great but this other lesser being showed me otherwise... I think I could always tell about the former but this latter being begs me to hold my tongue... I am close to saying everything...exposing this other being whom many call "God" but saying nothing is rushing to the same place... a wave mixed with night and day...and who knows which will come crashing on the shore? That is why I long to hold my tongue.
It is as if I was in the war room with the enemy... and he thought I was on his side... confided with me his plans... how everyone is under a strong delusion that he has spun... All of the great religions and even the anti-religions he manipulates... and he answers to the name, "God." But what is "impotent"(not important) for me is the fact that I was there and no matter what I say...the delusion is too strong to break...the delusions goes on...
God in heaven...who I met in heaven is much different being than this lesser "God..."
who I met just outside the atmosphere in my NDE. The God in heaven is so much more than the God the bulk of humanity prays to like Santa Claus... yet the trinkets this lesser being offers to us are pretty...and the treats are sweet...yet when all the sweetness has passed and the once shiny things have lost their shine...when the rewards of this lesser "God" have passed from our memories and bowels....the love we gave and the love we received go on..and on...and on...
I guess it is hopeless... I can't stop telling it... Maybe they will begin chasing me with stakes and a tree...but more than likely...the lesser and stronger chastisement is to be labeled a fool and forgotten in the halls of madmen and lunatics... yet still I say my sayings... and the moving pictures in the illusion of time go on....
- Re: Why was this quote sent to me? rudenski
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- Re: Why was this quote sent to me? HeartSpirit
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This is a reply to # 964,541Hi, Rudenski
The other responses and discussions are interesting and resonate. I have heard some words similar to that quote but it was interpreted as use caution to who you share your dream seeds with, as potential doubt of the listeners may solicit your own doubt.
And in fact, it seems that is what has happened here. It seems thoughts of doubt and fear are clearly reflected in this exercise for you. And once again, you have shined the light of truth i.e.love, upon them. And so maybe some of those fear thoughts have dissolved, being closer and closer to dissolving entirely.
But what I first intended to say (got off on a tangent) is that the dream seed of your NDE does not fall onto the barren soil of careless listeners. It falls onto the the rich soil of fellows who may use it to grow more and more beautiful gardens.
For this NDE seed of yours contains the instructions of love and so it will not bloom in any other soil but that of love as well.
This is very clear to me and many others.
And even when it does span across those that doubt, it is for a reason too, maybe to encourage them to remember once again. And even then, it will not matter so much because the field of love dissolves all boundaries. And if they refuse to see it any other way, they will turn away and within into themselves, eventually returning to love also.
Love
Lori- Fellow restless hearts rudenski
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This is a reply to # 965,777The world is going through a transition right now... it is as if it is time to tie up loose ends...to forgive...yet the physical element attached to our souls can only see this time as a betrayal to their chances to find genuine affection...that holy grail of physical expectation... yet God has only spoken audibly to me three times in my life...the last was when I was shattered physically, emotionally, spiritually, homeless...alone...in severe pain and angry with God yet...at the end of my rope still calling out to God... God told me,"I didn't promise you that people would not break your heart...People will break your heart...."(there was a drop in the inflection toward the end of the word heart before the audible pause... then God said to me matter of fact..." I promised you that I would never leave you nor forsake you."
It is our choice to visit the tragic here in the underworld yet because we forgot our contracts to leave the side of God who is love...we may come to blame the God who is love but love's intention is never to leave us...it is our choice to leave love...like a rebellious seventeen year old kicking herself out of her mother's house...for that boy promising her his love... We can still blame our mother for our rebellious nature but it did not come from our mother...it came from our soul turning away from love because we wanted to create our own worlds and become our own god but we who choose to enter the world of death and dying have no one to blame but our restless heart...- Re: Fellow restless hearts HeartSpirit
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This is a reply to # 986,933This restless heart sure is trying to find my way back home to the light. I have to clean up a few messes I have created first but I am coming home soon...
Love,
rudi
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