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Everything I read seems to point to fasting being the ultimate way because it "starves" the cancer. However a few other things are against it due to the stirring up of "toxins".- Re: Would you juice fast if you thou... Charly
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MoreThis is a reply to # 914,318I would do it, because there has been a lot of success with it. I juice fast, a couple of times a year, to prevent cancer. I've read that we can have cancer cells growing for several years before it's discovered. I've read that juice fasting cleans this up before we know its there.
Have you ever read Anne Frahm's story? She cured herself of incurable cancer, including a death sentence, in just 5 weeks after having a year and a half of traditional chemo, etc.
http://www.healthquarters.org
Or have you heard of Dr. Lorraine Day? Again she juice fasted to get rid of her cancer. You can
Google either on the internet and read about them.
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- Re: Would you juice fast if you thou... chrisb1
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MoreThis is a reply to # 914,438The basis of the Gerson Protocol in the cure of cancers is Juice fasting....organic apple and carrot juice.
- Re: Would you juice fast if you thou... Naturalist
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This is a reply to # 914,438When my husband was diagnosed with cancer, "A Cancer Battle Plan" was one of the first of many books on cancer that I read. I was so uplifted by Anne's healing. It is truly an unreal story. Unfortunately, I was very sad when I learned she had died about 10 years after her battle.
http://www.healthquarters.org/hqm_anneslegacy.html
Anne's Legacy
In the late 1990’s, after many years of recovered health during which HealthQuarters Ministries took root and began to flourish, Anne did eventually run away with Jesus. Troublesome symptoms, for which the Frahm’s received no adequate answers from health care professionals they sought out, were part of her last months. A postmortem autopsy showed that iron poisoning, due to the nearly 200 blood transfusions she’d had as part of the original cancer therapy, had shut down her liver.
It is suggested that you do not fast if you have cancer. Why? Most all cancer patients are nutrient deficient and need dense nutrition. After you start to recover, rebuild your body, I would recommend it.
Joel Fuhrman who wrote the book "Fasting and Eating for Health" does not recommend fasting if you have cancer.
Edit: In Jordon Rubin's book "The Great Physician's RX for Cancer," he recommends a 3 day juice fast. He then recommends eating dense nutrition.- Re: Would you juice fast if you thou... Hidden Username
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This is a reply to # 914,543"It is suggested that you do not fast if you have cancer. Why? Most all cancer patients are nutrient deficient and need dense nutrition. After you start to recover, rebuild your body, I would recommend it."
That doesn't make much sense because by drinking juice, you're absorbing all the nutrients instantly. It's usually said that unhealthy and nutrient deficient people don't absorb all the nutrients in their food (even if raw) anyway.
A lot of controversy and contradictions with this subject. Any fasting books I've read always point to fasting during cancer. Like this website is all for it:
http://www.freedomyou.com/fasting_book/fighting%20cancer%20with%20fasting.htm
Then of course you have your other experts that say not to. You could go to some kind of holistic doctor/proffessional and the advice would still be contradicting. How do you decide what to do.
- Re: Would you juice fast if you thou... Charly
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This is a reply to # 914,591Anne Frahm died from complications of the conventional treatment that she had recieved prior to her turning to alternative treatment, not cancer, it never came back.
My sister attended a 8 day session at Health Quarters in Colorado and knows Dave Frahm very well. He teaches juice fasting including a product called Ultra Clear along with other supplements that provide the nutritional benefits along with juice fasting benefits for cancer patients. It worked for Anne along with many other folks who attend the Health Quarters Lodge Program.
The protocol Anne used is described in detail in the book A Cancer Battle Plan - Source Book. The program is very do-able... I use the book and all of it's protocols as prevention for disease, and have for the past 3-plus years.
You ask how do you decide what to do when experts don't agree.... I have read many books on health. One of several things I go by is the 'expert's' thinking about parasites - that aspect needs to be addressed and dealt with. I would do what is known to work. - Re: Would you juice fast if you thou... Naturalist
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This is a reply to # 914,591That doesn't make much sense because by drinking juice, you're absorbing all the nutrients instantly. It's usually said that unhealthy and nutrient deficient people don't absorb all the nutrients in their food (even if raw) anyway.
I am sorry; I don't think I made myself clear. A cancer patient is usually very thin. They need the calories that food provides.
Then of course you have your other experts that say not to. You could go to some kind of holistic doctor/proffessional and the advice would still be contradicting. How do you decide what to do.
Listen to your body. This is indeed a personal choice.- Re: Would you juice fast if you thou... inflxshn
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This is a reply to # 914,699In response to the individual who said it doesn't make sense to drink juice because cancer patients need calories:
One has to rely on simple math in this case. Your statement addresses the need for patients to absorb nutrients in a state that doesn't allow them to because of ill health. Then I ask, " What sense does it make to ingest foods with even less nutrients?"
Patients need more than calories. Take for example a Snickers bar, 260 calories I believe, and no nutrients. Several glasses of carrot juice, same calories, tremendous nutrients. While this is an extreme example, think about any case where an ill patient is only able to utilize say 10 percent of any food's calories, arbitrary number. If they are ingesting the nutrient of a candy bar or a soy based meal or even meat and vegetables, there is 10 percent of those nutrients combined with calories versus the 10 percent of fresh juice nutrients.
While it is true, some people's systems are so toxic they cannot immediately handle the intensity of the purity of raw juices, compromises can be made by either using less juice or watering down the juice itself. A raw food/juice diet can cause cravings, but the calories are still there, there is nothing lacking. As we used to say in chemistry class, " A calorie is a calorie."
Health isn't alway about a 'full' feeling.
- Re: Would you juice fast if you thou... inflxshn
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- Re: Would you juice fast if you thou... chrisb1
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This is a reply to # 914,591Water fasting was not recommended in cancer patients by the Worlds most experienced and foremost authority on this subject(Dr Herbert M Shelton )as having very little if any benefits.
Digestion is severely impaired in cancer cases which is why raw organic juice-nutrition (which is more easily absorbed and assimilated)would be the best policy, as practised under the Gerson protocol.
Cancer patients are usually nutrient-deficient as being one of the main causes, along with stress and metabolic toxemia.
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This is a reply to # 914,318i don't think it is about fasting as much as i think it is about nutrition. the guy who wrote the juiceman book said he cured himself of liver cancer by drinking as much apple and carrot juice as he could. you have to be careful, though, as some vitamins can make certain cancers grow.
- Re: Would you juice fast if you thou... chrisb1
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This is a reply to # 918,075Which specific vitamins make certain cancers grow? and do you have any evidence of this please?
- Re: Would you juice fast if you thou... Aharleygyrl
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i would have to look it up and i am tired, going to bed. i sorta thought it was common knowledge, though.
Taking too much vitamin A may also increase lung cancer risk and can make prostate cancer grow, is what i found quickly on several sites, but would have to research that more.
- so far, this is all i can find... Aharleygyrl
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This is a reply to # 918,118
Specific vitamins and minerals can often be helpful and sometimes harmful. Multivitamins, and especially the full spectrum of the B-group, have sometimes been observed to accelerate tumor growth. The recommended raw-food diet will supply sufficient vitamins and minerals for the metabolic needs of most individuals, except with malabsorption.
Copper is a part of many oxidizing enzymes and can help to normalize the energy metabolism. It also strengthens the immune system and, especially as copper salicylate, is strongly anti-inflammatory. However, copper also increases angiogenesis, the formation of new blood vessels in tumors and so stimulates their growth. Therefore, if you have tumors, avoid all copper supplementation, and use copper salicylate only externally for treating skin cancers. The most important use of copper is in cancer prevention, while with established and especially fast-growing cancers, it is important to deny copper to cancer cells through a high intake of zinc. Tumors store copper and it can take several months before copper depletion shows a beneficial effect. Therefore, tetrathiomolybdate, or TM, has been experimentally used to leech copper out of the body.
http://health-science-spirit.com/cancer5-nutrients.html
- Thank you for that info'. chrisb1
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- Re: Thank you for that info'. Aharleygyrl
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This is a reply to # 939,519i'm sorry, i know there is a type of cancer i read about that if you take a certain vitamin, it makes it grow. it is probably here in one of my books, but which one, i don't know. this seems to be difficult info to find on the net. i assume it is still pertinent. i know the paradigms on nutrition and cancer have changed a lot in recent years.
- Re: Thank you for that info'. chrisb1
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This is a reply to # 939,521Yes I am sure that I also read that Vitamin A (Retinol, as opposed to provitamin A) is conducive to cancer growth esp' lung cancer; so I think you are absolutely right.
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- Re: Thank you for that info'. Aharleygyrl
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- Thank you for that info'. chrisb1
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This is a reply to # 914,318In a heartbeat. I would try that, and if it didn't work, I would try a few other things before surgery/chemo/radiation. That is, unless the cancer made digestion too difficult/complicated.
In fact, I'm on a juice fast right now. Am trying for the 42 days, but we'll see. I smoked for about 20 years, and drank on and off (mostly on) for about 10, so it is very possible that there are cancerous tumors in my body right now. Sometimes I will have a mild pain in an area of the chest I believe is the lung, it lingers for a week to a month, and happens on inhaling. I will not go to the doctor to have anything tested though unless and until it becomes obvious that something is very very wrong.
Anyways, if I succeed in the whole 42 days, it will at least serve as an experiment to show a relative and a friend who have cancer worries that a 42 day fast won't kill you.
Be well. :-)
- Re: Would you juice fast if you thou... Charly
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