How to vegetarians on this site eat ... 
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Many people on this site claim to be vegetarians who eat a low fat, almost all raw food diet.
Unless one is eating a lot of nuts and seeds (a high fat diet) raw food vegetarianism appears to be a practical impossiblility. Raw, uncooked foods provide a lot of bulk with a low calorie density. Vegetarian diets that are successful over the long term when are centered around cooked starches (e.g Ornish and McDougall Diets).
In addition, there are plenty of reasons to question the healthfulness of Vegetarianism/Veganism for 25-50% of the population due to the role of carbs in insulin resistance.
It is impossible to get enough calories out of a raw plant based diet unless you eat all day long like a gorilla, or eat a high fat diet where most of your calories come from nuts and seeds. For intance 5 cups of broccoli amounts about 100 calories. Is your stomach big enough to eat 5 cups of broccoli? The human stomach holds about 4 cups of food full. You would have to eat 100 cups of this veggie to meet the average daily calorie needs of 2,000. If you were a fruitarian you would would have to eat 17 pieces of large fruit.
Even if 50% of your diet was raw food, the math does add up then either (50 cups of broccoli or 8 pieces of large fruit) on top of the remaing 50% of grains etc.
What are raw foodists actually eating? Where can I get a stomach implant so I can become a raw foodist?
An interesting, Science based website discusses this. See www.beyondveg.com.- Re: How to vegetarians on this site ... Laura
22 y
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This is a reply to # 76,377What to eat...what not to? That is the question. And the answer is as varied as the snowflakes that fall in a blizzard. Over the past 10 years, I have been reading book after book, doing search after search on the net to find out what I should eat.
Just take meat, for instance...I am told by raw foodists to eat it raw, by Dr. Clark to never eat it raw because of parasites...to eat plenty of it (eat right for your blood type (type O pos)) and finally, not to eat it at all by vegans. So...what to do?
Then we have the honey issue. Read one book and find that it is the best sweetner, bar none. Read a webpage and a Dr. tells you it is predigested and barely better than refined sugar.
And don't even get me started on the whole vinegar debate.
Grains?? To eat or not to eat, that is the question. The answer is...yes if whole grain...yes if you have the right blood type... and never... ever, they are bad, bad, bad. OK, which is it????? I would dearly like to know. Now I hear bread can cause cancer. Well what in hell doesn't?? From what I can see, most everything can.
Macrobioticists say eat NO raw food, all should be cooked and even water should be warmed. Raw foodists say eat no cooked food. OK...
(eyebrows raised)
I have relatives who have smoked, drank and eaten diets largely composed of junk food who died at advanced ages. I know people who are vegetarians who look as though they have been dead for weeks (dark circles under the eyes; pale, bluish, pasty skin that is dry and flaking and breath so garlic laden that your eyes water from 10 feet away. And if garlic were so good for me then why does it make my stomach ache and burn so badly.
We are told that coffee with caffeine is BAD and yet, when I go to any health food store, I see jar after jar of exotically blended coffee (most with caffeine). What gives? Oh, and the selection of grains that I shouldn't eat is incredible. Or should I?? I have no idea anymore.
A trip to the grocery store is an exercise in insanity. Shelf after shelf of processed food with the RDA label (which has been scaled down to tell me exactly nothing about the content of the package). Hydrogenated oils, high fructose corn syrup abound.
Eat lots of fruit in the morning and don't forget to combine your food properly...OK, OK I will try it. Now to find organic fruit. Oh, goody my supermaket carries SOME organic foods. Let's see what I will be eating for breakfast for the rest of my life. HMM...Limes and red delicious apples. Every day and hey, once in awhile maybe an orange or a lemon. That should be fun for the rest of my life. Of course, in the summer I can eat strawberries and...wait...no, the blood type thing says no strawberries...hey...it says no fruit that can be grown locally at all. Back to the limes and apples. ARGH
NEVER eat between meals...graze all the time...eat a big breakfast...eat only micromeals...
Fasting is great...never fast it causes your blood Sugar to be off and can damage metabolism. Well, which is it? My head is spinning...I feel intoxicated...but that can't be...I don't drink alcohol...it is bad for me...well...except red wine...or...is it?
Carbohydrates are the food of the devil and yet the best things you can eat, especially if they are complex...but that comes back to the grain thing again...oops, a conundrum.
Is banging your head on a wall bad for you? Because I have a feeling I will be doing that really soon if I keep thinking about this.
Which way to turn, I am so confused.
I guess I will go the the beyondveg site and get one more opinion, because God knows I need MORE input...............
- Biggest laugh of the day!! Erma? Juniper Berry
22 y
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This is a reply to # 76,383Erma Bombeck, that is... ;)
There is definitely alot of conflicting info out there....But you know, experience has taught me what hasn't worked, and as I try different things for myself, I definitely learn what feels good and right!! The Fit for Life program by the Diamonds really taught me alot and gave me boundless energy. I got off the program and went back to what was "easy" and fast for a couple of years, and I developed all sorts of pains in my guts and had an episode of dizzyness that seemed to almost kill me. I layed on my couch for five days preparing to meet my maker, because I was convinced that I was going to die at any moment. Life just seemed to be evaporating from me.
Somehow, I didn't die. I finally felt well enough to go to the doctor. Several tests were run, and the diagnosis: gallstones. So, I probably do have some liver problems. And I am on a quest to help my liver. I'm tired of feeling sick and tired all the time. I'm ready to live again. I know that I felt like I was living huge when I ate lots of fresh fruit and vegetables and freshly juiced juices. That's what I'm doing now. And I'm staying away from all dairy and hydrogenated fats and processed foods. But, guess what? I'm not getting skinny. (Not yet, anyway. I'm about 10 lb. overweight.) I'm not getting sick, either. I'm getting well. Perhaps a man who does lots of physical labor in his job six days a week could not maintain his weight just by eating fruits and veggies, but he would probably feel alot better....and a lot stronger.
I'm not a scientist or a doctor, just a person seeking abundant life, including good health.
Juniper Berry- Juniper Berry... tisha
22 y
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This is a reply to # 76,385I, too had episodes of dizziness that left me bedridden for a few days at a time. I went to the doctor and he couldn't find anything wrong. He didn't test for gall stones, though. He did give me some medicine that made me sleep for about 18 hours at a time. With five children around it just wasn't very practical. I decided I would just have to be dizzy. It doesn't happen very often and hasn't happened for a while, but it sure is scary.
I found this web site, I believe, through inspiration. I was feeling tired and achey, too. I had no energy. I am in my early 40's and just didn't want to settle for this to be my life. Into my mind came the impression to cleanse my liver. I didn't even know how to do such a thing. I ended up at curezone. I really appreciate all Agnes and all have done here to educate people.
I have done seven liver cleanses. I felt that I needed to do a Colon Cleanse before I did another liver cleanse. So that is what I am focusing on now. I just posted to someone else about HPS Cleansing. I stumbled onto it about two months ago. It is an internet supported cleanse. Maybe this would be something for you to try. I know that I am ready to do this. I, too read the Fit for Life book in my 30's along with Dr. Norman Walker's books. I learned about colon cleansing then but did not know how to really go about doing it.
This program takes you step by step through the process in the comfort of your own home. I am really excited to do this. I hope to get the energy back that I seem to have lost over the years.
Good Luck Cleansing,
Tisha- To Tisha Juniper Berry
22 y
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This is a reply to # 76,390Thank you for sharing, Tisha.
I believe that modern medicine can't always find liver or some other problems until they are huge, but yet some people feel terrible before their problem gets huge.
It's amazing to me that we can make ourselves feel so much better without medicines or surgery, but just by simple procedures and lifestyle changes that we can do ourselves.
I'm also working on my colon/ parasite cleanses so that I can have a great liver cleanse in a few weeks.
Good luck to you!
Juniper
- To Tisha Juniper Berry
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- Juniper Berry... tisha
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- Re: How to vegetarians on this site ... UserX
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This is a reply to # 76,383What to eat?
The answer is rather "simple": Try natural foods and then listen to your body.
Elimination and Rotation Diet as described on "Diet" page may give you some ideas how to find your way out from the diet jungle ...
Blood Type Diet may give you different ideas, that you may test on your body ... and if it works for you ... you are there ... (it works for many people ... like macrobiotic/(other forms of vegetarian diet) ... very close to Blood type A diet, and then ...
Paleo diet and Low Carb diet is very closed to Blood type O diet)
and 80 - 90% of all people are A or O ... that actually explains why there are so many who find their way to health through veg diets (macro) or through paleo diet/low carb diets ...
If you are fortunate to get in touch with good kinesiologist, who knows how to test for food tolerance, you may come even closer to the diet that just could be good enough to keep you running ...
And, next time you get reincarnated, plese ask GOD to send with you some "User Manual" so you know exctly what you should eat :-)
- Laura, you summed up my feelings exa... tisha 22 y 1,892
- Re: How to vegetarians on this site ... Richard
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This is a reply to # 76,383I fully agree that there is a lot of confusing information out there as to exactly what is good for the person, the body. There is probably no one correct answer and as we are all so different, every individual - "like the snowflakes in a blizzard!" - there cannot be on universal solution. In addition, each person or body or system reacts to the different therapies differently. What might work for one may not for another and reason for the multitude of miracle cures!!
However, and I have been reading lots and lots of posts, not many have really considered whether the digestive system has a part to play. Of course, it has!! We are what we eat and consequently have we first considered if you digestive system is healthy? Is it functioning properly and in a good state to receive, digest and most important the ability to absorb what we eat, never mind the kind and type of food.
I am sure irrespective of what we eat, meat or vegetarian, you will find that those who have problems are usually those who have digestive problems or one sort or another. The Medical Association of Britain reported that 95% of all chronic illnesses are the result of a digestive system that is not well.
Would the above sound sensible? If it does then, maybe we must first make sure we have a good healthy fully functional digestive system before debating what sort of food is best.
Take care
- Biggest laugh of the day!! Erma? Juniper Berry
22 y
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- Re: How to vegetarians on this site ... Laura
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