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Hi guys!
Can someone fill me in on Medical Grade Ozone Generators?
How much are they? Who makes them? Where can I buy one? How do I refill the O2 tank? Doesn't O2 require a prescription?
Thanks for the help!- Re: Medical Grade Ozone Generator? rog
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This is a reply to # 741,737The two most well known that I know of are:
Plasmafire
Longevity
Plasmafire's use a cold plasma method and they have two models
($1800 and $3200).
Longevity uses cold spark corona discharge and they also have
two models, the EXT-50 and the EXT-120 (I think about $1000 and
$1400).
I personally own the EXT-120 and am very happy with it.
There are other medical grade units I know very little or nothing
about. For example, there is one manufactured by Synergy Systems
and sold on ebay down in the $300 to $600 range. The owner of
the company did post some information about them on this forum a
month or two ago and as far as I could tell from his detailed
description, they looked like good medical grade units.
Use the green welding tanks for oxygen. I use 20 cubic foot welding
tanks. Never have had anyone question me while getting it refilled
at a welding shop. Also, the pressurized oxygen comes from the exact
same place as medical oxygen.
If you're at all worried about little particles coming from the tank,
you can buy inline filters (I think plasmafire sells them).
- Re: Medical Grade Ozone Generator? Rick67
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MoreThis is a reply to # 741,785Thanks for the info.
Do you think one of these is necessary for adding Ozone to my drinking water? I've got one of the cheap 60 versions.- Re: Medical Grade Ozone Generator? rog
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This is a reply to # 742,231Medical grade ozonators are not neccesary for ozonating water. They are primarily used if you want to do insufflation, ozone sauna, or direct injection of ozone. A decent water ozonator should output at leas 200mgs of ozone per hour.
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This is a reply to # 741,785Hello, anyone could tell me where do you buy the oxygen for the tanks. Do you need a prescription?
Thank you
- Re: Medical Grade Ozone Generator? Rick67
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This is a reply to # 741,737"Medical Grade" - all it means is whether it uses oxygen or ambient air. [ but see rog's comments : "Medical Grade" also implies ozone-resistant materials and construction in the ozone path. ] People here report good results with ambient-air generators. They are cheaper, and don't require bottled oxygen. They are apparently reasonable for ozonating water. Personally, I had to use oxygen because we'll be using insufflation and possibly some other delivery methods. If you don't use pure oxygen, you will get impurities because the ozonator will act upon other elements in the air - the big danger being nitrogen. But for water ozonation, ambient air is ok. [ append 11/3/06 - Enaly units e.g. are quite cost-effective for this purpose; see http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=754382 ] If you need ozonation for anything other than casual use, you cannot have a "toy" generator, you *must* use oxygen feed. You'll get your oxygen from a distributor, so get out your Yellow Pages, but do not tell them what it is for. My distributor, AirGas, instantly asked me what I wanted oxygen for, and would have refused to sell to me (forever) had i told them the truth (i lied to them, saying it was for getting rid of mold in my barn). [ append 11/3/06 - other people have found lying to be unnecessary to get oxygen from their distributors, even their local AirGas distributor. However, I was actually refused, point-blank, when i said it was for personal use. Just use common sense. However, when I obtained a Longevity medical-grade oxygen tank, AirGas (who knew me well by then) refused to fill it, giving three consecutive excuses for why they couldn't do so. I had to drive 25 miles to another distributor. N.B. ] So be careful. Also, get an oxygen regulator (about $100).
If you are serious about a medical-grade ozonator (and you should be), consider the one from EBay from a regular seller there named MyGettinPlace. I got his high-end one (the only difference is in output : $680 or $399). The guy has a 100% positive feedback rating from EBay users, and I can tell you from personal contact with him that his high rating is 100% deserved. See
http://myworld.ebay.com/mygettinplace
and just click on [Items for Sale] – you’ll find his two models.
Rog refers to this seller also.
If you want the best and can afford it, get the Plasmafire, it has a lifetime warranty. But you’ll be fine with the Synergy Systems one on EBay. We got the high-end Synergy Systems one, and it is excellent. Don’t worry about the lack of lifetime guarantee, this distributor has never had one fail, and would fix it for you if it did. If you’re rich, go ahead with the Plasmafire model. We are not rich, so we could not buy it ($3200 or $2000). The distributor, Dr. Saul Pressman, is brilliant, and is worth getting to know. See this link for his excellent intro to his ozone generator : http://healingtools.tripod.com/saulsltr.html.
These two brands represent the low and high investment on the best type of ozonator. You can pay $400 or $3200, and the only difference is in output. Here's where you need to understand that "medical grade" does not refer to the method of ozone generation (the "technology") - there is more than one method. For AHT or IV ozonation, you must get a cold-plasma generator - but if you're going to do one of those, you'll want professional guidance in any case. The Plasmafire is a cold-plasma generator. You will note that cold-plasma is hard to find - and you will find liars, so i am told. [ and so I found out. There's a lot of hype (lies) about the term "cold plasma". ]
Do research to validate everything you hear, either here on this forum or otherwise. The reason is, you yourself must understand the how and the why of ozonation. The more serious you are about ozone, the more you must find out.
And ask questions here, to get started. This place is incredibly good.
- Re: Medical Grade Ozone Generator? rog
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This is a reply to # 742,450Thanks for the post. I just wanted to point out, though, that the Synergy uses cold corona discharge, similar to the Longevity units. Plasmafire is the only company that I know of that produces cold plasma units.
Also, the construction material used on the ozone path through the machine is also important in certifying that a machine is truly medical grade quality. These 3 brands shouldn't have a problem in this area, but there could be a machine that uses oxygen tanks, but the ozone path does not contain completely ozone resistent material in which case it coultn't be considered medical grade. If the material were not ozone resistent, then it could break down and add something more than merely ozone gas to the equation.
- Re: Medical Grade Ozone Generator? ikota
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MoreThis is a reply to # 742,549Thanks, rog.
And there it is, even my supplier was fooled,
as was I. I wrote him to confirm what technology
the Synergy unit uses - and he told me (quote)::
"Scott, it is cold corona/plasma."
Uh, yeah, is that "cold plasma" or "corona"?
He is an honest man, no question in my mind
there, but he is not technically savvy.
So I must apologize for the misinformation:
the Synergy Systems unit is... well, what it is.
Nothing replaces research!
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This is a reply to # 742,580So, I didn't understand what you said about the synergy systems from ebay. Are they capable of being used with an IV?
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This is a reply to # 742,450Hi ikota,
I'm currently shopping for a medical grade ozone generator unit and came across the Synergy Labs machine along with the others that was mentioned in this thread. The Synergy unit is very attractive because of its affordability, which is very important because my budget is tight. I have already spent a great deal of money on other treatments for my chronic Lyme disease and I have not had much improvement. I really hope ozone would be the answer.
Since you own a Synergy Labs machine, I'm very much interested in your opinion on the machine. There is very little information on the internet about this machine and user opinions are few to come by. I have contacted John, the maker of the machine, but he does not appear to be very technical.
The single biggest question I have is the control of its output ozone concentration. There is no calibration chart of any kind available for this machine, even from John himself. He does not seem to be very concerned with this aspect of the machine, but this surprises me because it is the one parameter that most protocols are quite specific about.
As well, since the machine is not professionally certified, I have some doubts on what it claims. I would be a lot more comfortable about what is claimed about a machine if it is independently verified by a third-party, but such is not the case.
However, its price is really what is still keeping my interest in it. I would very much appreciate it if you could share your experience with this machine. Thank you very much.- Re: Medical Grade Ozone Generator? finallyfaith
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This is a reply to # 742,635Here is the brief answer,
followed by a longer answer:
From the info we got from John:
1. The knob is completely uncalibrated
2. It appears to throttle to about 3/4 output
when the knob is at the halfway position
3. The output when fully throttled open is (either):
3.1. 180 gamma, or
3.2. 450 ml/hour
(both of which are imprecise figures)
The regulator is a problem with this unit.
We asked John about that, because we needed
to obtain a flow rate for the German protocol
for rectal sufflation, outlined at
http://www.gracermedicalgroup.com/resources/page_11.php
John basically didn't know how the regulator
worked for sure, except for full-open, where it gives
180 gamma (abbrev ug=micrograms). As you say, he is not technically savvy.
We needed to know the *concentration*, which is measured
in ug/ml (micrograms per milliliter).
Flow of oxygen is controlled by a regulator,
usually in increments like 1/8 LPM. You set the
regulator to send oxygen through the unit
at a certain rate (volume/time). Then, all you
need to know is the generator's concentration
at that rate, or at some rate (and convert).
The problem I face is that the goal is of course a *ratio*,
and depends on the concentration at a certain flow rate.
In other words, if you're filling a bag with
125 ml of ozone/oxygen,
the final concentration will depend on two factors :
1. the flow rate of oxygen through the generator
(i.e., if it goes through faster, there will be
less concentration)
2. the concentration produced (at a certain flow rate).
Notice that this in itself should be expressed as
a ratio. The problem I faced is that I couldn't get a
figure for the Synergy unit, except the advertised
450ml/h = 450 ml per hour.
Even the Gracer site (quoted below) gives the
concentration as an ambiguous figure - at least from
my point of view. The measurement should not read,
micrograms per millilitre, but rather
micrograms per millilitre per minute.
Here is the excerpt from the Gracer site :
<<
Volume and Concentration
It is essential that the home user be familiar with these two terms in order to perform this therapy correctly. Fully understanding the procedure and one's ozone generator is essential.
Concentration - While it is true that each ozone generator produces ozone, the gas coming from the generator is a mixture of oxygen and ozone. The amount of ozone in this mixture is called the "concentration" and the units used to denote this concentration are ug/ml or Micrograms per milliliter.
Do you know the concentration your ozone generator is producing? It is essential that you know the concentration of gas you are using. This can not be emphasized enough. Too little you will see no effect, too much and you may suppress your immune system, and cause irritation, swelling, or intestinal spasms.
The concentration usually chosen for therapeutic effect from rectal insufflation is between 27 - 35ug/ml. This concentration may be higher for treating colitis, bacterial, or parasitic infections, but for the average home user hoping to obtain the "general" benefits of using ozone, the literature notes 27ug/ml - 35ug/ml as ideal.
>>
At this point, since we have suspended our efforts at
using sufflation, we have no answer to this problem
that could be said to be definitive.
But it's a great question, and needs to be answered.
As for your question, here is the info we got from John:
1. The knob is completely uncalibrated
2. It appears to throttle to about 3/4 output
when the knob is at the halfway position
3. The output when fully throttled open is (either):
3.1. 180 gamma, or
3.2. 450 ml/hour
(both of which are imprecise figures)
That's where we are at, personally.
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This is a reply to # 742,635try Miracle-Mineral-Supplement to oxidize pathogens. Way cheaper and at least as effective. I met a guy that cured Lymes with Miracle-Mineral-Supplement . Took him a few years, but he continued to improve until his symptoms were nearly gone.
- Re: Medical Grade Ozone Generator? finallyfaith
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- Re: Medical Grade Ozone Generator? mygettinplace
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This is a reply to # 742,450Hi guys, I'm here to hopefully clear a few things up. The synergy ozone machine uses the cold corona method to produce ozone. I'm not sure, but it seems I apparently confused someone while in discussion on the methods used. There's an excellent site on the different methods of producing ozone, I'll give you the link in a minute, but here's what it says as the differences in the two:
The "COLD-CORONA" OZONE Generation Method utilizes a Tube with a HOT Cathode, that is surrounded by a Screen Anode. The best ones are called Dual-Dielectric, because they have a layer of Glass, separating each component from the Oxygen Stream, preventing CONTAMINATION of the Ozone. The Special Dual-Dielectric Electrodes produce a LOW Temperature, resulting in VERY HIGH Concentrations (up to 120 ug./ml.) of Medical-Grade OZONE being produced, if Oxygen is used as the Input Gas. If Air is used as the Input Gas, then LOW Amounts of Nitrogen Oxide Compounds (less than 1%) are produced and if an Air Dryer is used, then MUCH LOWER Amounts of Nitrogen Oxide Compounds (less than .1%) are produced!
The "COLD-PLASMA" OZONE Generation Method utilizes an Anode (+) and Cathode (-) enclosed in Glass, which is filled with a Noble Gas. The High Voltage jumps between the Glass Rods, forming an Electrostatic Plasma Field, which produces a VERY LOW Temperature, plus HIGH Reliability, resulting in HIGH Concentrations (up to 70 ug./ml.) of Medical-Grade OZONE being produced, plus even HIGHER Molecules of Oxygen (O4, O5, O6, Ox) than Ozone (O3) being produced, if Oxygen is used as the Input Gas and ZERO Nitrogen Oxide Compounds being produced, when Air is used as the Input Gas.
Quoted from: http://healingtools.tripod.com/ofs5m.html
I hope this has helped a little. As for the varible setting of the synergy machine, I'm not a fan of the variable pot that people have me add, as it makes it more confusing for the consumer who is used or have only heard of changing the flow rate of the oxygen to change the concentration of the ozone.
I would also like to add, that if someone wants a longer warranty that we currently offer, just ask. we can charge thousands and offer a lifetime warranty as well. I'm just kidding, we do not intend to charge more, and if your Synergy machine ever happens to break down, just call us, We'll simply repair/exchange it for you and you will only pay shipping and never more than 50.00 for the repair.
I hope there's some readers in here that have previously bought one of our machines who has made ozonated oils so they can post and tell other readers how it only took up to 3 days to make a solidified olive oil paste. I believe there's some websites out there that say it is not possible. I can assure you, and I hope some readers who have bought the synergy machine can verify for you, it is absolutely possible!
For those of you interested, for the month of October, we will offer a 10 day money back guarantee for the price of 525.00 for the dual stage machine with out the variable output. this will include shipping for curezone readers. This way, you can make sure it's what we claim it is. Just call and make sure you mention you read this on curezone.
thanks,
John C.
615-337-8611
- Re: Medical Grade Ozone Generator? T... raider
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This is a reply to # 742,450I have the steam sauna and it is also the Oxygen/Ozone one but I have not had the money to spend on the ozone part do you feel the one off ebay would be a good choice for me?
This is for my personal use here at home..
Any inpout is appreciated.
P.S. I cut corners and bought from steam embrace instead of longivity but the price differance was over a grand. The owner was selling them on ebay and gave me a very good deal BUT It smelled like fiberglass bad I cured that problem but in all honesty is not as nice as the longivity so I kind of got what I paid for per say.
So now I want to make sure I don't get a ozone/oxygen unit that's to cheap..But I don't want to spen the high $$$ either. I just spent thousands on the QXCI_SCIO and that has set me back for awhile.
Thanks, Raider- Re: Medical Grade Ozone Generator? T... ikota
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This is a reply to # 743,049Since you put, "To ikota" in the subject line, thanks,
i don't mind answering, but really i'm a novice.
In fact, i was unable to distinguish between a
corona-spark and a cold-plasma model.
Yes, i do recommend Synergy, for the most obvious
reason that it is affordable as well as reliable.
We've been using our 180-gamma unit for two weeks.
You'll even see that the EBay seller, [mygettinplace],
has posted exactly above your post. His name is John.
The technicalities may not be of concern to you.
But you should know that the EBay model uses corona
technology. For me, the price of a Plasmafire (plasma) or
even a Longevity (corona) was simply too steep. That's
why we got the Synergy Systems one. We thought we
were getting cold-plasma, which is superior (that
is, theoretically longer-lasting), but for our
immediate purposes, it doesn't really matter.
1. cold-plasma doesn't use an anode/cathode system,
or so i'm told (see Dr. Saul Pressman's Plasmafire site),
and so it lasts forever - which might be important for
people using a unit continuously, as in making ozonated
olive oil. The EBay seller makes quite a big deal out of
the fact that his (corona-spark) units can make ozonated
olive oil, and that his units never die. That may be due
to the dielectric construction - I honestly don't know.
2. the regulation-knob on the Synergy Systems unit is
not calibrated. Basically it's on/off (although the sound
does dial-up w/i the 1st qtr-turn). This is of some
concern to me, because I will eventually need to get an
exact volume/concentration ratio for insufflation. But
for home use for ozonation and for ozone sauna, quite
honestly there's nothing else out there for the price.
And the seller, John, is a wonderful person who, like
most of us here, did not jump into this equipment just
because he loves the technology. One thing I am finding
more and more on this journey: methods and tech stuff
are less than half the story. The people I'm meeting
are changing my life dramatically.
Thanks for asking, hope that helps.
- Re: Medical Grade Ozone Generator? T... Lymer
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This is a reply to # 743,121Hi Ikota,
That's my main concern as well -- the lack of an output concentration control. Since I'll be looking to do ear and rectal insufflation with my machine, this pretty much rules out Synergy Labs as my choice. Otherwise, it sounds almost too good to be true -- 180 gamma for US$525. If John comes up with a calibration chart, I'm sure his market will grow by many fold.
I'm currently looking at the EXT120 by Longevity Resources and the Beta II by Plasmafire Intl as a result. I'm leaning towards the EXT120 after much research. You can see some comments from Dr. Pressman himself in another one of my posts as well.
What have you using your Synergy unit for and how has it worked for you? Does it really yield a 180 gamma output? That's higher than anything I've seen on the internet!
Thank you Ikota.
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- Re: Medical Grade Ozone Generator? T... rog
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This is a reply to # 743,049I'll throw my 2 cents in as well. Especially if you are wanting it for ozone sauna, I think the Synergy would be fine, since ozone sauna doesn't require as much precision. Basically, because of the fact that heat breaks down ozone, you want as much ozone as you can get into the cabinet. Therefore, the lack of calibration on the Synergy shouldn't matter. Just crank the sucker up all the way for ozone sauna.
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This is a reply to # 743,179Hi Rog and Ikota,
I have a question for both of you about the noise level of your corona discharge ozone generators. I have just read from another forums (Oxyplus on Yahoo) that someone trying to do ear insufflation is having a very hard time tolerating the loud noise coming from his ozone generator. Since the insufflation tube comes directly from the machine, it is like having a stethoscope hooked up directly to the source of the noise.
Rog, from your description of the EXT120, it sounds like its noise level is quite severe. Have you ever tried ear insufflation with it? What is your experience on that?
Ikota, what about your Synergy machine? Does it generator loud and annoying noise during operation?
From the same forums, somebody mentioned their Plasmafire machine is very quiet and is very good for ear insufflation. However, my concern is its lack of output concentration (for the Beta II machine anyway; the Alpha III is better but still doesn't compare to the EXT120, which is half its price).
Does anybody know of any other quiet medical grade ozone generator? Is Plasmafire the only company that makes cold plasma units?
Thank you very much.- Re: Medical Grade Ozone Generator? T... rog
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This is a reply to # 744,030Yes, I do ear insufflation. I think maybe I have gotten use to the noise. You definitely can hear it, but coming through the tube the sound is sort of muffled. If you are sensative to sounds, then it could be a problem. However, I only do ear insufflation for 3 minutes in each ear. For someone doing 15 minutes or more, that could probably get annoying.
I will say that only doing it for 3 minutes in each ear does the job for me. The night after I've done the insufflation, I get clear lymph discharge from each ear while I sleep, which is a good indication that it is working.
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This is a reply to # 744,030I realise this is an old post, so this is mostly for other people who may stumble upon this thread whilst researching.
It is my understanding that the ozone should be going through a humidifier (bubbler) before reaching your ears. This should somewhat reduce the noise. Perhaps more so if you use a diffuser in the bubbler. You would, however, need to experiment.
I have the EXT-120 and there is certainly some high pitch hum that comes through, even with the bubbler. The machine itself is so noisy I am going to create a semi-soundproof box for it. As for the noise whilst doing ear insufflation, the bubbles help to make it sound more pleasing.
With heart,
Jonathan
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This is a reply to # 741,737Longevity Resources sells the ozone machines.One of the machines they sell produces its own ozone,so you don't have to add a tank.Their toll-free phone number is 1-877-543-3398 or 1-888-543-3439..their prices vary and you should ask them how much the newest ozone generator is..you will also need an ext 120 or ext.160 machine with the ozone generator.Call them about cost.
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This is a reply to # 741,7371. The information you get on the internet is worth what you pay for it.
2. Never believe what someone says about the product they sell. Get a second opinion.
3. Second opinions are often on websites owned or "in" with the one selling the unit. Check them out on Whois.com with Whois Lookup.
4. Don't purchase from someone who won't tell you who manufactured the product, i.e. Promolife.com
5. Many companies sell the same unit and call it something else. The ext 120 is a good example.
6. Don't get frustrated and purchase whatever seems the easy way out. Knuckle in and do the research.
7. No, I don't have a recommendation: God is the only person on the internet that I trust, and he doesn't sell ozone generators. The best approach is to reconcile yourself to the fact that you're gonna have to---if you have a job like the rest of us---spend about six months reading all the garbage and hype out there that goes with the good stuff in your spare time to find a good ozone generator.- Re: Do Your Homework. iloveamma
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This is a reply to # 1,778,763Anyone can assist with providing comments or knowledge
About promolife O3 - Ozone ozone generator. They use ceramic cell instead of glass/quartz. The price is affordable but I need to hear if any of you
Has experience or knowledge of the company and machine.
Thank you
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