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Hi all,
I have seen articles for this "liquid zeolite" plastered all over curezone/internet with the captions try it, 'its great gets you 100% cured 100% of the time everytime, always, withoubt doubt'. well not quite that extravagant but similar!
i cant find however any testimonials that dont look like marketing scams, if im honest it all smells a bit fishy.
does anyone (who DOESN'T sell, work for, represent or market liquid zeolite) have any difinitive info on this product, poss from a personal usage and experience point of view.
if not then i guess it is another scam!
(nice bit of Science though)
Many thanks.
James.
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- Re: liquid Zeolite??? squave
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MoreThis is a reply to # 730,145I don't work for any of those multi-level marketed pyramid schemes.
Here's the deal on Liquid Zeolite as I understand it. You can pay $45 for a tiny bottle with little bit of zeolite in some water, or you can buy a whole pound of zeolite clay powder for $8 at the site below and make gallons of liquid zeolite.
http://www.herbalaccents.com/
I'm sure someone who is selling the stuff can explain why that's not a good idea.
:-)- Re: liquid Zeolite??? goldhunter
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MoreThis is a reply to # 741,657I just bought some Liquid Zeolite on ebay for $40.00. It's too early to say anything about it. If 1/3rd of the claims are true it would be worth twice the money.
As a gold prospector, I know a little bit about activated charcoal since it is used to adsorb (not absorb) heavy metals like gold from a leach solution. It's an electrical attraction thing. Activated charcoal is activated by a steam process where all of the non carbon material like plant resins etc are removed. I took some an hour before having my Amalgams removed.
If zeolite has the same properties as carbon then it should come from nature full of heavy metals that have already been attracted to it. They have to be removed before it can be called "activated".
I would wonder about putting a clay pack on that's full of junk - unless, of course, this clay had been activated, but then it would probably cost more if it had been???
RO- Re: liquid Zeolite??? squave
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This is a reply to # 741,720Good point about the activation. I'm sure that proprietary processes for activating, micronizing, water-solubilizing and advertising zeolite can increase its effectiveness. However, if MLM zeolite is, for example, 50 times as effective and 1000 times as expensive as natural zeolite, taking more natural zeolite may achieve the same result for less cash.
After a little detective work, tracing from the page selling the green zeolite powder, I found the source of green zeolite mined in the Amargosa Valley.
http://www.badgerminingcorp.com/CompanyInfo/locations/ashmedows_products.cfm
It is clinoptilolite, the same type of zeolite found in the MLM cash-adsorbing products. I am hoping that I can get an analysis from the mining company to post here. If the Amargosa Valley is a low heavy metal environment, the zeolite may not contain many heavy metals, making activation less important.
If anyone wants to be sure they are getting pure activated clinoptilolite without paying $40 to $50 for a 15 ml bottle, there is a veterinary product called Vetamin. I don't sell it, but if y'all want to get a pyramid scheme started, uh, never mind.
https://ssl.panaceo.com/panaceo/shop/shop.php?region=38&lang=eng
Serendipitously, along the way I found a web page which suggests that activated charcoal does nothing to bind inorganic mercury in the digestive tract. The page goes on to say that it doesn't matter because inorganic mercury is poorly absorbed by our digestive systems anyway. I also took activated charcoal before having my Amalgams taken out. I'm sure it didn't hurt anything.- Re: liquid Zeolite??? goldhunter
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This is a reply to # 742,230I used to own a well drilling rig although I hired a licensed driller to operate it.
We used Bentonite clay to make a surface/ecology seal around the casing for the first 18 feet to keep dirty water from following the casing down to the aquifer.
I can buy Bentonite clay in forty lb bags for about $10 each. Bentonite is also used in colon cleansing formulas. The problem is - I don't know what they do to it to make it fit to swallow? Maybe nothing - although they claim to. I'm not sure I trust taking something that attracts heavy metals, unless I have some confidence it doesn't contain any. The sales pitch for zeolite is that once trapped, the heavy metals can't come out and be reabsorbed, but even if that's so - if it is already full of junk, it may not be able to adsorb any more? So - how would you activate it? Mercury gasses off at quickly at 500 degrees but - that could be a dangerous process. Nitric acid dissolves lead and arsnic- but thats some pretty nasty stuff to have agound and now your into time and money and some potentially dangerous processes unless you have a chemistry background. Liquid Zeolite is cheap - if it works. Expensive if it doesn't.
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This is a reply to # 742,255I looked up some industrial zeolite activation techniques, and none of them are likely to be done at home, since they involve high temperatures. However, it doesn't look like the inexpensive zeolite clay powder has any heavy metal problem.
This page has a listing of worldwide zeolite sources:
http://www.zeolitemineral.com/worldwide.htm
It points to the page of a company which distributes the Amargosa region zeolite:
http://northerngravel.com/
That page points to an analysis of the Amargosa zeolite:
http://northerngravel.com/zeobest_tech.html
I would expect that if a large amount of heavy metals were already adsorbed into the clay, it would appear somewhere in the analysis, but nothing is mentioned.
I have some of the clay on order and have never shied away from experimenting with such stuff. If it happens to do nothing, I'll be trying the Vetamin next, since it is activated rather than natural clinoptilolite.- Re: an analysis of the Green Zeolite... starwoman
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This is a reply to # 742,268HI Squave,
Have you found out any more of the Zeolite?
I would be most interested to find out if this product works,. for crohns disease.
Cheers,
Starwoman- Re: an analysis of the Green Zeolite... squave
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This is a reply to # 842,778Hi, Starwoman,
I have been taking this green zeolite internally (a couple of pinches a day in water) since writing those messages and have not had any unhappy consequences. I can't say if it works as well as the other products that were discussed, only that it is much cheaper. I only drink the part of the clay powder that stays suspended in the liquid, not the grit that falls to the bottom.
Since I don't have Crohn's disease, I can't say whether this clay will help with that condition. My approach has always been to try anything that might help, but I imagine that approach is not for everyone. I'm also totally skeptical about marketing/advertising claims, but if someone here at Curezone says a treatment helps them and it's not ridiculously expensive, I'll usually give it a try, as long as they're not selling it.
Good luck!
- Re: an analysis of the Green Zeolite... jairama
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This is a reply to # 842,792so, you bought the 25lb bag made for pool sand filters and are taking that? are you still taking it now?- Re: an analysis of the Green Zeolite... squave
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This is a reply to # 1,139,339I mentioned a few messages up the thread that I bought a pound of the powdered clay here:
http://www.herbalaccents.com/
I stopped taking it after a month or so when I felt there wasn't any dangerous quantity of mercury in my system anymore, if there ever was. I have since decided that my symptoms, which mimicked candida, then fibromyalgia, then mercury poisoning, were more likely to be Tension Myositis Syndrome, as described by Dr. John Sarno, i.e. my brain's attempt to distract me from repressed subconscious rage by creating mysteriously shifting transient physical symptoms. More info here:
http://tmshelp.com
I still like to put some of the clay powder in a bath if I feel like creating the illusion of absorbing toxins. Nowadays, it feels to me as if "toxins" are phenomena of the emotional and mental realms as much as the physical.
Obsessive fear of illness and death is a killer. :-)
- Re: an analysis of the Green Zeolite... squave
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- Re: an analysis of the Green Zeolite... jairama
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- Re: an analysis of the Green Zeolite... goldhunter
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This is a reply to # 842,778I just found this Cancer site with zeolite testimonials. Of course it could be a front??? May be Tony Soprano is in on it. It does sound too good to be true.
http://community.eons.com/groups/group/cancer
RO - Re: an analysis of the Green Zeolite... bear paw quilter
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This is a reply to # 842,778I know of a young man that started taking the liquid zeolite for his crohns disease and is having very good results...
- Re: an analysis of the Green Zeolite... goldhunter
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- Re: an analysis of the Green Zeolite... goldhunter
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- Re: an analysis of the Green Zeolite... squave
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- Re: an analysis of the Green Zeolite... starwoman
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- another type of activation - NaCl pr... squave
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This is a reply to # 742,255A number of articles mention creating a "sodium exchanged zeolite" by pretreating clinoptilolite with a concentrated NaCl solution to increase its ability to adsorb heavy metals. Here's one of the clearer results of using this process.
http://www.springerlink.com/content/q5g67t47h258g27x/
- an analysis of the Green Zeolite Cla... squave
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- Re: liquid Zeolite??? squave
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- varying perspectives on zeolite and ... squave
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This is a reply to # 730,145In a blog entry on this subject, the discussion begins with the announcement of a study testing a multi-level marketed zeolite product, Natural Cellular Defense (NCD) on autistic children. Naturally, the announcement is made by a distributor of the product!
The blog editor has this to say, "[I have] looked at the claims and looked at the structure of zeolite and looked at the smarmy background of the zeolite pushers. It's ugly, it's stupid and it's gross. Go ahead. Cure yourselves and your neighbors. [I] will believe it when they start shutting down hospitals because everyone is so healthy from taking expensive drops of cheap, powdered rock suspended in water [...]"
A Boyd Haley quote appears, which concludes that the product (NCD) "does not significantly remove mercury from an aqueous solution".
http://autismdiva.blogspot.com/2006/06/next.html- Re: varying perspectives on zeolite ... goldhunter
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This is a reply to # 742,280I've been taking oral EDTA and reading as much as I can about it. One source claims that it is the ionic form of heavy metals that cause the free radical damage. As an example, activated charcoal has no attraction to metalic gold, but adsorbs ionic gold ie gold chloride. So perhaps trying to adsorb metalic Hg isn't telling us anything???
RO- Re: varying perspectives on zeolite ... goldhunter
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This is a reply to # 742,835Here is a discussion on Zeolite. http://zeoliteautismstudy.com/pdf/HWRI-Transcript-062106.pdf
- Re: varying perspectives on zeolite ... squave
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This is a reply to # 743,608Looks like the same study which appeared on the blog page. The blog claimed that the person announcing the study is a distributor of the product. That could be why the discussion of the study sounds like an informercial for the product. There is also a conflict of interest which calls into question the trustworthiness of the eventual results. The results of the study might even turn out to be perfectly honest and unbiased, but still cannot be trusted if a product distributor is involved in organizing the study.
MLM has a way of compromising values, and the people who insist it does not compromise values have already been compromised.- Re: varying perspectives on zeolite ... goldhunter
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This is a reply to # 744,061It does appear that zeolite is used in industry to adsorb orders and filter water etc. But I agree - how can you get any unbiased info about it's use in the human body, when everyone with any information is trying to sell it.
How about this - aren't there self administered mercury tests you can do at home?
If so - do they have the ability to indicate the amount of Hg being eliminated in the urine? You could do a before and after. I'm hearing claims of increased Hg elimination by a factor of 40. That should be testable.
RO- Re: varying perspectives on zeolite ... chardy
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This is a reply to # 744,171Im very dubious about it all, personally.
If it worked as well as claimed why havent alternative therapists been jumping all over it for autism etc? Where mercury tox is greatly implicated? It seems like a 'too good to be true' no effort, great expense, for almost limitless reward. Im willing to have my mind changed, but on this healing journey most of us have been stung once or twice with a useless cureall. Noni juice, mangosteen, clay this and supervitamins that.
I want real, hard evidence in the case of this zeolite. If its going to be so marketed then it better have something to back up its claim other than anecdotes from people with a long line of posts on CZ talking about it...
If Andy Cutler ever said 'Stop with the ALA! Zeolite is best!' then it'd turn heads, chelation is such a niche therapy that it wouldnt take much for a good supplement to overturn the existing methods.- Re: varying perspectives on zeolite ... #83844
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This is a reply to # 878,420You should look at the patent description here and not be that skeptical.
http://patft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1...
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- Re: liquid Zeolite??? starwoman
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This is a reply to # 730,145hI jAMES,
I am not selling Zeolite and I have been on it 3 days and I have got to say it has made me feel much better already, whether this will last I dont know early days as yet.
\Cheers,
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