heavy myopia, what about surgery? 
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hello everyone.
I am very much shortsighted ( about -9 on both eyes). I use contact lenses since ten years ago, but I feel I just cannot hold on this way no more. I am breastfeeding, and my sight got even worse. I am considering going under laser surgery because I am a tailor and need to have a good sight to work good . I cannot live a normal life without glasses, so unfortunately I cannot try Bates method that would mean stop wearing glasses and working etc. ( I cannot afford to give myself a long period without working).
I need some advice because I can feel mu eyes getting worse day after day.
thanks averyone
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- Re: heavy myopia, what about surgery... goyogi
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This is a reply to # 598,071You don't have to get rid of your glasses with bates. You can get a slightly reduced prescription that will allow you to see 20/30 or 20/40 which is the legal limit for driving. Then as you practice bates relaxation exercises your eyes will get a little better and then you can reduce the prescription again.
If your vision is getting worse and worse then you are not a good candidate for laser surgery in the first place. You have to have "stable poor" vision before you can get laser surgery.
Best thing is to learn bates method to take back your vision. It can take a while but it's FAR better than surgery.
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- Re: heavy myopia, what about surgery... no_biz
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This is a reply to # 598,072yes but as I said before I cannot afford a long recovery period ( I've read in a post below that in 1 year I could expect a 0.25/0.50 eyesight gain) without working, and I suppose that 20/30 would not allow me to sew.
I also have a little baby and have to stay very aware of things around her since she starts crawling right now.
I feel helpless about this matter...as if I was slowly going blind without any chance to stop the process.- Re: heavy myopia, what about surgery... goyogi
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MoreThis is a reply to # 598,075My worry for you is that you say your vision is getting worse and worse. If it keeps going this way you are going to be a prime candidate for retinal detachment.
20/30 vision would totally allow you to sew and probably even 20/40. Although I am not a taylor so I don't know how far you have to see. I had 20/40 prescription given to me when I first started and I could drive fine at night which for me is the hardest thing to do.
- Re: heavy myopia, what about surgery... no_biz
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This is a reply to # 598,077what would happen if I use a lower prescription as you suggest, and do not exercise enough meanwhile? I worry about 20/30 tiring my eyes a lot, could that tiredness result in another worsening if I do not exercise constantly? the doc always told me that staring to see would damage my eyes.
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This is a reply to # 598,079you say that I can improve my vision while using glasses, but I checked for info and found out that according to bates, use of lenses even with lower prescriptions, cannot lead to any results from the method.
What about this?
doyou have a personal experience to share?
thanx for yr precious help and support.- Re: heavy myopia...another questiom goyogi
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This is a reply to # 598,080>what would happen if I use a lower prescription as you suggest, and do not exercise enough meanwhile? I worry about 20/30 tiring my eyes a lot, could that tiredness result in another worsening if I do not exercise constantly? the doc always told me that staring to see would damage my eyes.
I don't exercise enough myself. But I constantly practice relaxation techniques to see more clearly. I never strain to see clearly. It's difficult to explain and I feel Bates is a great place to start. And you really don't have to 'exercise' constantly. You should learn proper vision habits and practice those constantly. The exercises can take 10-20 minutes a day or so. While the school semester is going I don't have much time between work and the volunteer hours I put in helping youth. But after school is out I have plenty of free time so I can sympathize with your time predicament. I think learning to relax your eyes is a best thing you can do. And getting a lower prescription while working at your job is probably not going to strain your vision. You can always get a second 20/20 pair for driving although 20/30 is legal.
>you say that I can improve my vision while using glasses, but I checked for info and found out that according to bates, use of lenses even with lower prescriptions, cannot lead to any results from the method.
What about this?
doyou have a personal experience to share?
thanx for yr precious help and support.
Yes, I have a hard time giving up glasses completely. I started at -4.50 with astigmatism and went down to -3.75 with the astigmatism removed. And I should be at -3.50 but my crummy optometrist said "oh, you have 20/15 vision with your prescription now, that's great!" and wouldn't lower it. The way I did it was mainly through getting "computer glasses" since I only need to see a couple feet in front of me to see the computer where I am all day long. Then as my vision improved I would push the computer monitor away and as soon as it was as far away as possible I would lower my prescription again and bring the monitor in close again and do it all over.
When practicing bates exercises you must remove the glasses. When I remove the glasses and practice I definitely get more benefit than when I leave my glasses on and do it. There is definitely a psychological attachment that has developed between glasses and clear vision that I am slowly breaking.
I'd HIGHLY suggest getting a book or two on the subject because it's so much more than I can go into in a forum post. Also join the many vision groups on the groups.yahoo.com site. there is batesmethod, focus_on_vision_training, i-see, 2see, vision_therapy, visionsenz, visionforlife. It's alot to read and there are some conflicting views but try and see what works for you. It takes some experimenting but the first time you see a small breakthrough is awesome! You are now starting to fly against the grain of current mainstream optometric practice. Congratulations. :)
Oh, another great tool is the "magic eyes" 3-d books. They are a fun tool to practice good vision habits. http://www.vision3d.com/ There are not as many books on this out there as there used to be but you can find used ones out there on amazon.com. I'm going to get off the computer now and have fun with these books!
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This is a reply to # 598,081you're being really helpful . I 've just ordered a couple of books ( Bates's "perfect sight without glasses" and another book by MacCracken) . I am now trying to give up contact lenses and wearing them just a few hours a day ( I used to wear them about 18 h a day).
I will soon get a new prescription. Do you think that I must get glasses or can I try with lower prescription contact lenses?
thanks.- Re: thank you.... goyogi
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This is a reply to # 598,082I used to use my contacts all the time as well. Woke up, popped them in. Just before I go to bed pop them out. When I started trying to improve my vision I noticed that my eyes were so used to the contacts that I could only see clearly about 2" in front of my nose! Now I can see about 8-9" away.
You can do it with lower prescription contacts but glasses have an advantage of being able to remove them easily to read something close up like a book or letter or invoice. I think eventually you'll go to glasses because as you progress and you see that you DO have the ability to correct your vision that you'll get more excited about vision improvement and will want to remove them more and more during the day. For example, I often take them off at work during lunch or in meetings.
I even tore apart part of my cubicle walls so that I can look out the window into the distance every now and then. :)- Re: thank you.... no_biz
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This is a reply to # 598,083thanks,thanks,thanks.
I feel on the right path!
I am already experimenting without lenses right now, and I have noticed that after all it is not impossible to do. It is more likely a psichological than physical aid.
do you think that close reading without lenses (2-3 inches in between eyes & book/monitor) is dangerous or straining? I was ever told so.
greetings- Re: thank you.... goyogi
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This is a reply to # 598,084I think I'm most glad that you aren't seeking surgery for your eye condition!
It didn't hurt me reading so close but then I started at -4.5 but I think you're prescription is double my original. The next time you go in for an eye exam ask for a reduced prescription reading/computer glasses as well. If the cost of glasses are a problem there are online glass makers that can ship you a pair for ~$25.
http://www.goggles4u.com/
and
http://zennioptical.com/
I've used goggles4u for my glasses just because they had a pair I liked.
Oh, btw, I got my older sister to start practing eye improvement. One of the first things she did was get a reduced prescription for work. She's around -9 as well. She was telling me how she took off her glasses while attending a conference and there was a powerpoint presentation on the front of the room and suddenly she could see it and was amazed! This is what is known as a clear flash and it lasts a few moments.
Good luck! I'm very happy that you are on your way to improving your vision!- Re: thank you.... no_biz
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This is a reply to # 598,086Hello.
I have experienced some headache that I think might be connected with the poor use of lenses in the past days, so I am wearing them again during the day, even if not that much.
I guess that as every addiction, it takes its time to leave, I cannot go cold turkey with it.
I will wait for the book to come and then start exercise.
I feel somewhat impatient!
Many thanks for your kind and prompt answers. I do not know if I will order glasses from a website because I live in EU and shipping might be expensive.I'm gonna check.
I have a lot of astygmatism (is spelling ok?), too. What about it? should the new prescription ignore that?
Thankfully,
- Re: thank you.... goyogi
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This is a reply to # 598,088Yes, I too get eye strain for the first week or two when I reduce my prescription. If that happens I just put on my stronger prescription. But soon I'm used to the new one. Before when my vision was getting weaker and weaker and my prescription stronger and stronger I noticed eye strain and headaches with the new prescription. The doctors always say, "you'll get used to it". That's true but if you don't maybe you got a prescription too weak/strong for your current situation.
I'm sure there must be online prescription glass companies in the EU. May have to search a bit. If not join those yahoo groups and ask around there. There are people from all over the world on those groups. And I highly recommend those yahoo groups. A great online community of people commited to improving vision. I think curezone is great but it's just not quite there yet for vision improvement. I came here for cleansing advice and stumbled upon this vision forum. :)
As far as astigmatism. If it's not too bad you don't have to have it. After all there are so many people with astigmatic vision and they wear contacts which do not correct for astigmatism. I noticed that as I practice good vision habits my astigmatism changes. My last doctor noticed it too while I was taking the tests. I'd recommend leaving the astigmatism out and if necessary up the prescription slightly to compensate for the lack of astigmatism correction. But that's my experience. Your body is different and may or may not be ready for it.
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This is a reply to # 598,089I will go on yahoo groups to look for advices.
I actually have a lot of agstysmatism on my right eye (3.5 if I am not wrong), much more than on left eye. I will try and see if this difference can be bothering to me and decide what to do.
Which cleanses are you interested in ? I am looking for cleanses too, I just decided to get some Schulze's formulas. Let me know . thanks for yr friendly help.- Re: thank you.... goyogi
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This is a reply to # 598,091I don't know which cleanse I want to do. I am generally very healthy and was turning to cleanses as preventative maintenance...not because there is something specifically wrong with me. So I want to start off lightly and use a cleanse that I can easily do. I'll probably wait till summer till I do a cleanse because I have so much going on during the school semester that I would have a hard time finding a section of time to do a cleanse.
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This is a reply to # 598,092I received bates's book and started exercising a bit. However, I am not sure of my full understandig of the method. i find very hard to see black when I close my eyes for palming, I rather see some kind of black, not what is supposed to be a perfect black. I guess that "seeing black" is more like a mind attitude than a physical thing, am I wrong? Some kind of meditation maybe? what is your experience?
I'd like to know what kind of exercise you have done exactly, have you just practiced some microtext reading or did you use snellen tables? I really hate snellen tables because I really cannot see them clearly even at half of the suggested distance.
please answer if you have any suggestion
ps do you think that magic eye pictures and micro-reading would be enough for exercising and relaxing my eyes?- Re:hello goyogi
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This is a reply to # 598,099When I first started palming I had a REAL hard time seeing black. I think I still do but it's much better than when I first started. When I first tried I saw lots of sparkles of different colors. Kinda hard to explain. But don't feel bad, lots of people have a hard time at first. But it gets better. From what I read it vision does come from the mind. The eyes are actually an extension of the brain. I noticed that the first few nights that my eyes would twitch as well when I was trying to sleep which I took as a positive sign. I was consciously trying to relax my eyes. I guess my point is to be open and listen to your body especially in the first few weeks.
Also what works for others may not work best for you. And vice versa.
I practice my reading when I'm at work 8 hours a day on my computer. I put the monitor just slightly out of focus and wear my reduced prescription glasses. Sometimes I have to pause and wait for my vision to relax before I can work. Sometimes I have bad days and have to scoot my chair in closer but other days are better and I can scoot out but overall progress is good.
I personally find benefit going for slow walks and relaxing my whole body. I have lots of tension in my neck and lower back and I have to loosen it up and relax my eyes at the same time. I also love going to the park or beach and gazing far distances. That helps me tremendously. Just relax and accept that you can't see that far, YET! Don't get frustrated and squint. Just relax and see what you can see. "Oh, look that's probably a person walking by. Oh, I think it's a man. He has a dog. I don't know what kind, but that's okay. If I really need to I can put on my glasses but I choose not to."
Have you taken yoga classes? They really helped me in learning how much tension I have in my body and how to scan for it and release it. If you don't know how to scan your body and release tension then I'd highly recommend yoga or some other relaxation/meditation classes.- Re:hello no_biz
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This is a reply to # 598,100thanks for answering.
I am now waiting for being accepted in a bates method's yahoo group
I got reduced prescription -1.5 on both eyes and no astygmatism correction. In the past days I did not use contact lenses at all trying to get used to these glasses.
I noticed that astygmatism comes and goes all through the day , sometimes it is there, sometimes it is not.
I have noticed a weird thing when I look at stereograms, that is, when I look at them without glasses I cannot always see them clearly. Sometimes I see a pattern, but it appears to be wrong in several parts. Some patterns can be seen perfectly,while others just do not work, some parts remain somewhat blurred and image seems to be split in two
When I put on my reduced prescription glasses I can see image clearly, even if it takes more time to get it.
Since I do not have astygmatism correctio on my new glasses I guess it cannot be astygmatism. Sp my worry is, could it be an eye working less than the other? when I was a child I had a lazy right eye, had to cover the left several hours a day to correct it.
I find very strange seeing 3d but not seeing it properly!
I am now trying to accept these new glasses together with the fact that I actually DO have a vision problem, which I was completely used to ignore with the use of lenses.
How much do you think that my attitude towards life influences vision? I am somewhat nervous and always in a hurry even if I have no reason to. Glasses are helping me to slow down a bit, too.
Unfortunately there is very little I can see to the naked eye ( two inches or so of clear vision ). it is a little upsetting .,...but I see life differently with a little more relaxed attitude.
let's start another 3d...aswer on top of page, this is getting too long
see you
- Re:hello eyesneedhelp
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This is a reply to # 598,101Hi,
I just finished reading all your posts and the responses for your posts. Would you mind sharing your experience on Dr. Bates' method. I noticed your posts were about 8 months ago and wanted to see how are you doing and also if you would recommend this method or have found other ways to improve your eyesight. I have a very poor eyesight and it seems like it is getting worst as time pass. My husband wanted me to have a laser surgery,but I really don't feel comfortable doing it. Please let me know what do you think.
Many thanks in advance for your advise on this.
Take care.
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This is a reply to # 598,072Hello,
I have horrible vision, but my doctor thought that Vision correction surgery would be successful for me. I'm not sure and I'm very nervous after reading some boards. I am seeing a doctor at Vision Eye Institute (http://www.visioneyeinstitute.com.au/) in Sydney. I found it online and it seemed really good, but I'm getting worried about whether or not I should go through with it. Has anyone been to this clinic and have a success story? Please let me know
Cheers,
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This is a reply to # 598,071You can begin by doing eye exercises while wearing glasses. Gradually, you'll do them without.
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