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Hi everyone,
I have seen the QXCI marketed locally, in a health food store. So I did a google search (that is always helpful with any new, unknown product to go to google.com "advanced search" (just type in the name of the product with the search words: fraud, scam, dishonest etc).
I pulled up several very strong consumer warnings, doing this google advanced search with QXCI. The following is the most helpful, in so far as the public court record history of QXCI's inventor, William Nelson.
The thing I feel most thankful for in reading this review by Dr. Barrett M.D., was the fact that there could be a delay in getting appropriate treatment, should I opt for QXCI therapy in the event of a serious illness.
For me, an "appropriate treatment" would likely be alternative, but an alternative medicine methhod that has no public record of federal criminal activity by it's founder.
P.S. for an technology/pure metaphysics interface, I much prefer Mark Macy's World ITC institute in Boulder, CO http://www.worlditc.org/ . They are non-profit and appear to be doing some very valuable healing research, with great conscience.
Steve
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Some Notes on the Quantum Xrroid (QXCI) and William C. Nelson
By Stephen Barrett, M.D.
(QXCI Inventor) Nelson's Background
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Dr. Nelson was elected president of the American Nutrimedical Association and has doctorates in homeopathy, naturopathy, science, business, and international law. [The American Nutrimedical Association issued dozens of different spurious credentials, including "professional membership" certificates to anyone who sent $50.
Nelson's listings in AMNA's 1985 and 1991 directories mention "NMD" (doctor of nutrimedicine), ND (doctor of naturopathy), and PhD degrees. At that time, the only requirement for obtaining an NMD "diploma" was completion of a short application and payment of a $250 fee.
Nelson was listed on AMNA's letterhead in 1992 as AMNA president with NMD and "DSc." after his name. I have never seen any evidence that ANMA held elections.]
Another biogrphical sketch states that Nelson obtained his "ND degree" from "Clayton." I assume that this refers to Dr. Clayton's School of Natural Healing, a nonaccredited correspondence school that offered a a "100-hour course" that lead to its degree.
His "international law degree" came from make-believe Lafayette University.
After leaving Colorado, Nelson became a Professor of Homeopathy at the College of Practical Homeopathy in London and then was hired as a Professor of Medicine at the postgraduate education department of Semmelweis Medical University in Budapest. [I could find no mention of him in the list of department of medicine faculty members posted to the Semmelweis University Web site in 1997.]
Records from the U.S. District Court of the District of Columbia indicate that Nelson was indicted for mail fraud in June 1996 and was placed on the fugitive list several months later.
In 1997, Nelson received a patent for a process for manufacturing solutions for homeopathic medicines. Nelson's application claims that administering tiny electric currents to solutions enabled them to make homeopathic products more effective. The document described human experiments but contains no details that would enable the reader to evaluate the validity of the experimental design.
Inherent Risks
Bogus devices like the Quantum Xrroid can cause three types of harm:
Patients who become alarmed about improper diagnoses can wind up having unnecessary tests to rule out the presence of these conditions.
Failure to diagnose actual diseases can lead to delay in getting appropriate treatment.
The phony diagnosis and treatment can result in unnecessary expense.
The danger of delayed treatment is illustrated by the case of Reginald Rex, a Californian who consulted a QXCI practitioner in Santa Monica. According to the lawsuit he filed against Nelson, the practitioner failed to diagnose syphilis and other problems and the resultant delay in getting appropriate treatment resulted in considerable pain and suffering for more than a year, as well as extra medical expense. Nelson did not defend against the suit and now faces a default judgment.
The Bottom Line
The Quantum Xrroid device is claimed to balance "bio-energetic" forces that the scientific community does not recognize as real. It mainly reflects skin resistance (how easily low-voltage electric currents from the device pass through the skin), which is not related to the body's health. It is promoted with elaborate pseudoscientific explanations and disclaimers intended to protect its practitioners from prosecution.
Use of the device can cause unnecessary expense as well as delay in getting appropriate treatment. If you encounter a practitioner who uses one, please ask the appropriate government agencies to investigate.
References
Gill LJ. Warning letter to Michelle Vandepas, president, Phasx Systems, Inc., May 19, 2000.
FDA Enforcement Report, Dec 9, 1992.
Bear JB. The Alternative Guide to College Degrees & Non-Traditional College Education. New York: The Stonesong Press, 1980.
Criminal Docket for Case #: 96-CR-209-ALL, USA v. Nelson. USDC District of Columbia, filed June 25, 1996.
Reginald Rex v. William Nelson, Q.X. Limited, and Does 1 through 100. Complaint for product liability, personal injury and damages. Superior Court of the State of California for the County of Los Angeles, West District-Santa Monica Court, Case No. SC 070 400. ...
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When will you guys give up? Your post has no basis and is nothing more than an attempt to smear a promising technology; a non pharamceutical technology. Mainstream medicine is the third leading killer in the U.S. alone. Instead of focusing on fixing that problem, some seem intent on creating more. *hint*
The QXCI must really be helping alot of people for the disinformation clowns to start up with their propoganda attacks. Thanks for the advertisement. Now more here will certainly be giving this technology a closer look.
BTW, are you helping fund Stevie's (quackwatch) losing legal efforts?
Him and his cohort Baratz are really on a streak aren't they. You may want to consider spending your money differently if your helping their coffers. Is that 8 or 9 losses in a row now? We're still counting. You may want to check your sources of information. Your source is a known detractor who has been legally challenged and been found to be rather pathetic in his false and losing endeavors. For more on the quackwatch group and their ongoing scam check out this site: http://www.quackpotwatch.org
Here is a good article on how groups like this get an easy in into mainstream media: http://www.quackpotwatch.org/opinionpieces/big_pharma
Of course then there are the trolls that operate disinformation campaigns. Sound familiar Steve?
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This is a reply to # 576,341Hi Lapis,
Are you saying that the U.S. District Court record of Nelson's felony criminal and civil activities are not real?
To me this looks like an easy mark for quackwatch.com.
If the M.D.'s who run quackwatch.com are the alopathic behaviorally toxic people that many suggest, could this be a case of the behaviorally toxic publicly fingering the behaviorally toxic?
I don't know.
I do know that when there is an official, publicly available U.S. District Court record of an alternative health machine inventor's felony activity, I have some very serious questions rising.
No matter who points me to that U.S. District Court felony record.
The other part is the network marketing part of the QXCI business opportunity.
They sell some very expensive "exclusive QXCI" machine-*perscribed* supplements, via multi-level marketing. These supplements are specifically called for by QXCI machine diagnosis, in all cases.
That is extremely suspicious.
I am quite skeptical about this, Lapis.
Please address the US District felony (and civil) court record of QXCI's inventor, William Nelson. Is that not so?
If it is, please provide clear and credible proof.
A person who I care for much has gotten envolved in selling QXCI, and I fear for her.
She has put a lot of money up (buying the machine etc.) so far with nothing to show for it, but money spent on advertising her QXCI services.
This sounds very MLM-greed-driven with a lot of 'love bombing', feel-good new age cult group hype.
Yes, abandon MD's for all but broken bones, but this QXCI MLM opportunity?
It sounds like alopathic "perscribing" M.D. pharma-greed, dressed-up in 'love-bombing' new age cult group cloths.
I really do want to know if the US District Court records of Nelson are real or not.
Please provide credible proof about this.
Thank you,
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This is a reply to # 576,343"Are you saying that the U.S. District Court record of Nelson's felony criminal and civil activities are not real?"
Provide documentation for me so we can discuss it. Until that time I must assume such documentation doesn't exist. This is the kind of tactics (utilizing half truths) that Quackwatch engages in. For all we know Stevie has found another person with the name Nelson and is trying to make something dubious fit Dr. Nelson. He has no proof for his own claims and without any is engageing in character asassination. With as much legal trouble he and his club have found themselves in recently, he should be more careful in dotting his i's and crossing his t's.
"To me this looks like an easy mark for quackwatch.com"
According to quackwatch, anyone that doesn't support the pharma industry is an easy mark, although they are finding out differently in various courts as they continue to lose case after case after case with no end in site. The intersting thing to note is that they seem to have some hidden deep pockets to fund their "dragging names through mud" campaigns. Their personal income doesn't support their court costs. Not even close. I wonder who could be sponsering them. Pharma perhaps?
As far as your MLM claims, that is not true. They have dealerships located around the world. If a person is seeking one of their devices you just need to call a representitive to purchase one. Very much like buying a car.
"I really do want to know if the US District Court records of Nelson are real or not."
The only one who drops mention of these claims, with no proof, is Steve Barrett and now you. When I did several searches on the matter, your previous post came up as well as Steve's propoganda. That tells me something. What is your axe grinding motivation?
I would say the onis is on you to provide such documentation since you seem to have some axe to grind with Dr. Nelson.
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Hi Lapis,
Good point, I will try to dig deeper and get the claimed court records confirmed by the respective courts.
Can you give clear (real court record) evidence that quackwatch.com has lied about the existence of extremely damning public records, before?
If so, that would be truly shocking.
MLM is often defined as: far more emphasis on selling a "repeat sale"-product dependency building "business oportunity", than sellling the product and/or service.
By this definition, QXCI and it's "exclusive homeopathic and herbal supplement cures" clearly qualify as MLM.
Just look at their many $12,500+ (minimum price, and up) "QXCI opportunity"-selling web sites.
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This is a reply to # 576,346As usual Steve, runnin round the ole questions eh?
MLM? I think not. Great to see you make and define the rules of engagement here. We ask you questions that go unanswered. Or if and when you do answer it is with another accusation.
Nice avoidance tactics, chief. Your motives are seriously suspect here and your arguments are without support.
I think it's in my best interest to fan on any further conversion with you as we are obviously having a one way dialogue here.
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This is a reply to # 576,346First of all an MLM is a company such as M****tech who has people sellening under people under people ond on and on. The QXCI is sold once by a dealer. Those people don't go on to sell more units unless they too want to be dealers and if so they would deal directly with the parent company. If you think it is still an MLM under your own definition then that definition would apply to the entire market place,
On the evidence that Quackwatch boys Baratz and Barrett have cases going against them left and right, here is a link to Tim Bolen's site where he gives a wrap up of one such case with a link to the judges decision in its entirety. If youy look around Tim's site you will find alot of verifiable info about these lost boys and their motives as well as many more of the court cases they have lost.
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Hi Lapis,
[quote]First of all an MLM is a company such as M****tech who has people sellening under people under people ond on and on. The QXCI is sold once by a dealer. Those people don't go on to sell more units unless they too want to be dealers and if so they would deal directly with the parent company. If you think it is still an MLM under your own definition then that definition would apply to the entire market place,[/quote]
Oh God. M****tech.
The person that tried to new age-cult 'love bomb' me into that MLM was a "former member" (probaby because of the famous ATTEMPTED POINONING of an entire Oregon town...) of the Bagwan's Oregon sex cult.
The crucial question is:
Is the sales emphasis by all practitioners:
On the ~clearly~ effective PHYSICAL healing ability of the health service or supplement -->
or, on the "business opportumity"?
With QXCI, Lapis: the emphassis by every "practitioner" I have yet encoutered --
is upon selling the $12,000+ Machine BUSINISS OPPORTUNITY.
Get that.
NOTE the above CRUCIAL difference between ~~the many forms~~ of MLM (pyramid like) marketing -- and legitimate marketing of a healing service or supplement line.
I have been involved in the oxygen therapy vs. alopathic medical mafia information war, for over a decade.
(see our website, click the: "Oxygen Therapy information War" front page internal link):
http://aboutlazarisleaving.tripod.com
I helped bring "Oxygen Therapies author, Ed McCabe to San Francisco in 1991 (Where he lectured and was publically attacked by a far-left medical mafia-dependend BURN victim of a CARELESS ozone insoflation therapist).
I know the score, Lapis.
There is absolute greed-driven human behavioral evil, on both sides of the financial 'medial fence'.
Exibit: Whole Foods Markets defrauding it's stock holders with deceptive financial reporting.
That is a fact of VERY PUBLIC stock market history.
"The most dangerous mask of Evil,
is virtue."
The alopathic enemy we can CLEARLY SEE, is far less dangerous, Lapis.
See our page on the "spiritually healing" powers of A.C.I.M., while you're at it.
A verbatim quote ~~burried VERY deep inside~~ A Course In Miracles big blue book text:
"Anger is never justified."
Straight-up 'love-bombing' new age cult-driven SOCIAL CASTRATION, Lapis.
Pure, authoritative human behavioral Evil.
In the form of: "spiritual healing".
While you're at it, click on the pictiure of ocean surf on our front page for:
http://www.thepowerofpain.com
Anger can be a VERY powerful healing force, and IS ABSOLUTELY JUSTIFIED --
both at money/power greed-driven alopathic Evil AND money/power greed-driven "anti"-alopathic Evil, Lapis.
It is opposite ends of the same toxic animal: consienceless, soul-killing, physically lethal "healing" greed.
[quote]I knowOn the evidence that Quackwatch boys Baratz and Barrett have cases going against them left and right, here is a link to Tim Bolen's site where he gives a wrap up of one such case with a link to the judges decision in its entirety. If youy look around Tim's site you will find alot of verifiable info about these lost boys and their motives as well as many more of the court cases they have lost.[/quote]
Thank you for that.
Good links.
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This is a reply to # 576,349I have no trouble with the modality of "deep thought). I ask you do you think with your brain or your mind?
"Soul Killing" *snicker...please explain that one. I wasn't aware that souls could be killed.
What is your spiritual orientation if you don't mind me asking. I've been to your website where you are riding a self proclaimed evangelical high. Is this a sole mission or are you sponsered to perhaps throw an air of confusion into the mix. Quite an axe your grinding. Based on your previous posts of non information and false alarms you may want to take a closer look at the details. It may help your cause (healing something in your life).
I agree that there are people motivated by greed in all walks of life. There are other elements such as anger, fear, DECEPTION, etc which are all part of the gambit of a full range of emotions, (energy in motion) and patterns that we can register as experience. What is the final goal? Your goal ...our goal. The collective of mankind?
I sense alot of bottled up anger in you my freind. That kind of healing starts with forgiveness and ends with an understanding that is beyond the outisde world.
You only "percieve" you know the score or someone is paying you to pose as if you know the score. So far your "troll work" has been very transparent. If you want to be good at what you do , I suggest you delve way deeper into what is actually going on in the marketplace and in people's lives, particularily your own. You may find a new dimension of your heart in the search, provided you go into it with the truth in mind, a dimension that seems to have been hiding for far to long. *wink*
As far as the QXCI thing. Nope not buying your vision on this.
In the future I would remind you that this is a support forum. Trolling will not be tolerated. It's one thing bringing some good information to the mix but windy claims just don't fly here. I suspect you have motives other than support in this forum and at curezone in general.
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Hey Steve, I would like to get involved in the QXCI MLM, how do I go about that. Could you tell where I can find that info on the net. If they are MLM, I'm certan that info is here, right? - Re: MLM Opportunity? QXCI Inventor's... sueblanton
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I generally can't stand Steven Barrett and his Quackwatch site. I have to say though he is right on about Bill Nelson and the QXCI. Read this article by a German Physicist that tested the device.
http://www.healthyhorizonsmagazine.com/Spring2008/HocusPocus.htm
My friend who is a QXCI practitioner was told that it was no longer necessary to use the SCIO box. She opened it to find nothing much in there but dead air. When she would run subsequent scans on herself she would come up with an entirely different set of health problems each time and only minutes apart. By coincidence it often comes up with a health issue that will resonate with the client. It is however purely Random and without any merit.
The GRS scanner by True Rife measures Galvanic Skin Response to test for hits on different Rife frequencies while it is running a plasma tube on a given folder of frequencies such as Mycoplasma. It measures the body's galvanic skin response to various frequencies in that folder and score them as hits on the computer in a log file. These hits are recorded as a result of changes in the Galvanic skin response much like that of a lie detector test. It is not 100% accurate just as a lie detector test is not always 100% accurate therefore inadmissible in court. However, it does give a person a jumping off place to hopefully gather information as to which frequencies best serve the body.
Once a program such as a Lyme program for example has been run, the hits are recorded on the computer in a log file and each frequency is cross referenced with all of the pathogens and health issues that that particular frequency addresses. I am assuming this cross referencing is with those frequencies listed on the CAFL (Consolidated Annotated Frequency List) available online. Once you have established hits on a given frequency such example 432 which is a common Lyme frequency, you will then be given a list of other pathogens or health issues 432 addresses such as gallstones. With this information you can open a rife program for say Gallstones to see if you find relief on other frequencies in this program or you could run the GRS scanner on this program. This method of diagnostics is much slower and of course we live in a quick fix society and people want to believe that a 2 minute scan on an EPFX will give them comprehensive diagnositics, but unfortunately this is just not possible.
The engineer from the TrueRife company that makes the F117 and the GRS scanner, warns people not to use the info from the scans as a means to diagnose only to test other frequency programs that might help. He recommends running the hits for longer then the other frequencies that are not detected as hits in a given program. I do find however that it is helpful to know what pathogens and health issues that come up as potentially problematic for me. You can see a video on Youtube on the GRS scanner. At least what is coming off of the Plasma device in terms of frequencies is measurable with an oscilloscope.
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This is a reply to # 1,869,646Susan I truly applaud your efforts for us new people trying to figure out which scanners are workable and which ones are not. Up to this point I was seriously considering the F-scan2 and I still may get it. But I feel more comfortable about the scanner from TrueRife. Mike never over sales anything he is pretty simple about all his equipment.
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This is a reply to # 576,341Hi Lapis do you think If we just ignore the ignoramous he'll just go away? Or we can just observe his idiocy and have a good laugh at his foolishness. We could just watch him babble on like the unknowing fool that he is! Grog
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This is a reply to # 576,341I sorry , I disagree with you. People just don’t think into it enough to understand the amount of people being misdiagnosed and the way this fake machine will change their way of living. I have a relative that is a Health Practitioner, At first I had a lot of respect for him helping others with their health problems via vitamins, diet etc. Then he gets tricked into this QXCI machine and now 90% of his business is testing people with this machine. To keep it short, the QXCI machine is a very good computer program “like a game” that has a large data base in which you input the patient’s info and it basically works like a horoscope machine and comes up with a diagnostic review for the patient. As for the exterior box, lights and the wire band hookups, it’s simply for looks. There is one simple test you can do to prove it’s a fraud … When your hooked up with the bands around your head, wrists and ankles and your in the middle of its “testing stage” or its “treatment stage” simply take off one or all of the bands. IT HAS NO EFFECT ON THE MACHINE in any way!!!! Mind you, A machine so sophisticated to be able to even test your DNA , When you remove the straps it has no effect, it continues to run .only one answer IT’S NOT GETTING OR RECEIVING ANY INFORMATION. At least the person that designed the program should have made the program worn the patient that the bands are loose, just to make it look realistic.( I better watch myself not to give them any ideas ) If you ask around to other people that own this machine and ask them how this could happen, each one will give you a different answer. 9 out of 10 owners of the QXCI couldn’t explain anyway because most have very little background and understanding in electronics and or computers. That’s how they got caught up in the fraud in the 1st place. Their usually pretty good at convincing you how it tests and treats you but how it actually does it electronically that’s another story. Without getting into that subject lets just say we live on Earth and electrical current and magnetism are governed by pretty basic principals in which the QXCI machine breaks time and time again. Please feel free to email me or anyone else for that matter improve@cfl.rr.com
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This is a reply to # 576,342Here is my experience with the QXCI since I also own the program. I got mine used and I find that those who adamently defend it, were the people who paid $20,000.00 for the device when it was new. When you have that kind of investment in a machine, it is hard to be objective about it. You want to believe that is the best health discovery ever.
I can open the program and scan myself, close it down, open it again 5 minutes later do another scan and come up with a completely different set of health issues. I have heard the argument from QXCI patients and practitioners that the body is always in a state of fluctuation and that nothing is ever the same and can change in a matter of minutes. Unfortunately, I don't believe that in 5 minutes time, I can go from having Cancer to suddenly being cured and then having Lyme or some other Biological Warfare agent come up on the scan. I could run 5 scans in a row and each time I run a scan, I have a different health picture. I believe that the program lists so many things on it and that it is purely a random assignment of health issues. Because so many things come up in the program at least a few things will tend to resonate with the person who is being run on the program. Most clients are only run one time on the program so they would have no reason to doubt the authenticity of the information.
An even more scathing indictment of the program is the fact that I read about a Chiropractor who used a meter to test the frequencies emitted during the rife session on the EPFX and found that the only frequency coming off of the computer or Scio box was in the 60hz range which is what household appliances usually run at.
One of my friends who has a SCIO box,took the box apart in spite of Bill Nelson's warning of Karmic Consequences for doing so. (Gee I wonder why?) She found the box was basically empty except for a few screws and wires. My other Biofeedback practitioner friend was told in a QXCI workshop that the SCIO box was no longer necessary that the program would work just off of the computer. Could it be that many people had disected the SCIO box and found it to be useless? If this is the case, then why did Bill Nelson include the SCIO box to begin with?
There are just too many questions regarding this device and unfortunately, those who believe in it believe with the fervor of a religious zealot. I think most that defend this device have a lot of money tied up either in paying a practitioner $70.00 an hour or in purchasing the device.
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This is a reply to # 576,340Dear 'Steve23' et al,
Herewith, I include my answer given in other forums regarding all this nonsense, as well as a posting in our own QXCI/SCIO group.
Since the attachments are lenghty and explain everything I need not to further expand. Since my message might truncated please E-Mail me at fmqxci@yahoo.com and I will send you the full text of this reply.
Best regards,
Francisco Martinez, B.A. (Hons)
Marketing QX Ltd.
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Dear friends of the QXCI,
You will be pleased to know that on January the 16th last, the case of Mr. Rex Reginald against QX Ltd. and Bill Nelson was overturned. For those who would like to check it please visit http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org click on civil / case summary / enter case number SC070400 and click on ‘search’. Below is what you will find – But of course you do not have to take my word for it.
I would like to point out that cases like these are numerous and hold no merit. I however, still question the decisions and the very many unfounded comments and non sense spilled on these groups by some opinion leaders and other ‘wise’ people, before doing duly diligence or simply checking with us, and indeed, letting things take their due course, before any 'knee jerks'.
This has also shown us (shown me), who our ‘friends’ really were. It was very sad for me to see how a few practitioners whom I met personally during my trip to USA last year, based only on the comments they read on these groups, took to ‘ban’ us and even one sent threatening letter if I did not removed her name from our databases at once.
I can understand the concern of you all – if I were a QXCI user of course I would be concerned too, but of course I have never argued or criticized the ‘What’ but the ‘How’. The actual court transcript and other pertinent documentation I should have in a matter of days as I spoke directly with our attorney in Los Angeles and I requested such documentation. I will post it for your perusal and interested parties - Others simply click on the 'Delete' button. The post will be clearly label as 'Court Transcripts'.
I am aware that these groups are followed by the likes of Mr. Rex Reginald or ‘Quack Watch’. You people have no need to hide behind aliases or send me ‘anonymous’ mails. You are also being screened by me. I do consider it a compliment that you people take the time and trouble to write to me and follow what is being said here – I do hope that at least you are learning from the very many interesting and educative comments posted by our doctors and practitioners alike, as much as I do.
On that note may tell you all that I do read all the posts in these groups and make notes of some points brought up. Bill Nelson is kept informed as much as possible – Those of you who get the opportunity to talk to him realize he knows what is going on. I cannot comment on the groups as much as I wish because of time restrictions. In any case, I believe my work is to keep on the background making sure you all get your posts through.
Kind regards,
Francisco Martinez
Webmaster & Peer Groups Moderator
Marketing Director Spain & Latin America
Case Summary
Case Number: SC070400
REX REGINALD VS. WILLIAM NELSON ET. AL.
Filing Date: 01/18/2002
Case Type: Prdct Liablty (not asbes,tox,envir (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Default Judgment after Prove-up 09/13/2002
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Future Hearings
None
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Documents Filed | Proceeding Information
Parties
BONNE BRIDGES MUELLER O'KEEFE & NICHOL - Attorney for Defendant
NELSON WILLIAM - Defendant
Q.X. LIMITED - Defendant
REGINALD REX - Plaintiff & Plaintiff In Pro Per
REGINALD REX - Plaintiff
YOUNG ROBERT E. - Attorney for Plaintiff
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Case Information | Party Information | Proceeding Information
Documents Filed (Filing dates listed in descending order)
01/21/2003 Notice of Ruling
Filed by Attorney for Defendant
01/16/2003 Substitution of Attorney
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff
01/10/2003 Brief (reply in support of motion to vacate default and default judgment; )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant
01/07/2003 Opposition (TO MOTION TO VACATE DEFAULT AND DEFAULT JUDGMENT AND TO PROPOSED MOTIONS TO QUASH SERVICES OF SUMMONS; )
Filed by Plaintiff & Plaintiff In Pro Per
11/20/2002 Notice of Motion (TO VACATE DEFAULT AND DEFAULT JUDGMENT; MEMO OF P & A; EXHIBIT A ND DECLARATIONS OF DARWIN DAVIDSON AND JEFFREY HEALEY; )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant
09/11/2002 Statement of Case
Filed by Plaintiff & Plaintiff In Pro Per
07/26/2002 Partial Dismissal (w/o Prejudice) (AS TO DOES 1-10 ONLY )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff
05/24/2002 Proof of Service (STATEMENT OF DAMAGES )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff
05/24/2002 Notice of Change of Address (AND TELEPHONE NUMBER )
Filed by Plaintiff & Plaintiff In Pro Per
05/24/2002 Default Entered (AGAINST WILLIAM NELSON AND Q.X. LIMITED )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff
04/02/2002 Summons Filed
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff
04/02/2002 Statement of Damages
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff
01/18/2002 Complaint Filed
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Case Information | Party Information | Documents Filed
Proceedings Held (Proceeding dates listed in descending order)
01/16/2003 at 09:01 am in department WEQ, Linda K. Lefkowitz, Presiding
Motion to Vacate (DEFAULT AND DEFAULT JUDGMENT;) - Motion Granted in Part
09/13/2002 at 10:00 am in department WEQ, Linda K. Lefkowitz, Presiding
Civil Default Prove Up Hearing - Completed
08/02/2002 at 10:00 am in department WEQ, Linda K. Lefkowitz, Presiding
Civil Default Prove Up Hearing (REQUEST FOR COURT JUDGMENTRECEIVED ON 7-31-02. NEED FILETO PROCESS JUDGMENT.) - Continued
07/31/2002 in department A102, Clerk, Presiding
Request for Court Judgment (8-7-02 SENT TO LINDA FOR REVIEWno case summary, decl in lieu oforal testimony no properly executeno original exhibits, judgmentform incomplete.) - Rejected
06/18/2002 at 09:00 am in department WEQ, Linda K. Lefkowitz, Presiding
Order to Show Cause (RE SANCTIONS FOR FAILURE TOPROCEED WITH ENTRY OF DEFAULT;) - Completed
05/28/2002 at 09:00 am in department WEQ, Linda K. Lefkowitz, Presiding
Order to Show Cause (RE SANCTIONS, INCLUDING DISMISSALFOR FAILURE TO PROCEED WITH ENTRYOF DEFAULT) - Completed
04/26/2002 at 09:00 am in department WEQ, Linda K. Lefkowitz, Presiding
Status Conference - Completed
04/02/2002 in department A102, Clerk, Presiding
Request to Enter Default-Recieved (PROOF OF SERVICE OUT OF USA APPEARINCOMPLETE. NO INDICATION OF WHOWAS SERVED AND WHO IS AUTHORIZEDFOR THE COMPANY TO RECEIVE SERVICE) - Rejected
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For Quackbuster's NCAHF - It's All Over But The Shouting...
Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen
July 9th, 2003
The Quackbuster Flagship sank today. A Three Judge California
Appeals Court broad-sided it. Let's all go watch it slide under the
waves. Bring a bottle of wine and some paper cups.
We already know that the quackbusters have ZERO credibility with the
American court system. So it's not going to be a surprise to anyone
that the National Council Against Health Fraud (NCAHF), today, lost
the decision they appealed over the case called "NCAHF v. Botanical
laboratories, et al."
Here are the the Three Judge Panel's words...
"Conclusion - Appellant (NCAHF) believes that no one should be
allowed to market homeopathic remedies. Congress has decided
otherwise, and officially recognizes the Homeopathic Pharmacopoeia.
Appellant's broad-brush approach of sweeping all homeopathic remedies
into a single bag marked "undesirable" simply does not work in the
courts, where each claimed instance of unfair advertising and unfair
business practice must be closely scrutinized. Appellant failed to
present any admissible evidence in this case that respondents are
guilty of false advertising and unfair business practices with
respect to any of their products."
The NCAHF lost on a SLAPP (Strategic Lawsuit Against Public
Participation) Motion. Which means they owe the Defendants Attorney
Fees. Al Lohrman, chief counsel on this case, said to me, today, in
an e-mail "By the way, the trial court also awarded us attorneys'
fees on our anti-SLAPP motion, as provided by law."
And, there's the rub.
The NCAHF is operating out of a cardboard box in the back room of
Bobbie Baratz's Braintree, MA hair removal salon, and has so little
money, that Baratz begged members for cash, offering a picture of me
(Tim Bolen) as an incentive for contribution.
According to court documents, NCAHF Board members, it turns out, were
COMPLETELY UNAWARE that Baratz and Barrett had made the NCAHF the
Plaintiff in these cases. Court documents show that Baratz and
Barrett had set up this case to generate "expert witness" fees for
themselves. Baratz is the current President of the NCAHF. Barrett
is a failed MD who operates the dubious website quackwatch.com out of
his basement in Allentown. PA.
Legal fees, by my estimate, will run around $500,000 to $700,000. It
looks to me, like the individual NCAHF BOARD MEMBERS, and the
MEMBERS, may be legally liable for the attorney fees...
The court, in it's decision, quoted the earlier Health Freedom
Appeals Court Victory in NCAHF v. King Bio like this:
"In the context of a lawsuit against homeopathic manufacturers of
homeopathic remedies, 'there is nothing in the nature of a false
advertising action that makes it difficult for a plaintiff to prove
allegations of the complaint. The homeopathic remedies are marketed
and readily available for testing by the plaintiff. The falsity of
the advertising claims may be established by testing, scientific
literature, or anecdotal evidence.' (NCAHF v King Bio). Appellant
provided no admissible, prima facie evidence that the respondents'
advertising is, in fact, false....In addition, appellant presented no
evidence at all that respondents' advertising is likely to deceive
consumers."
I've put the whole case decision on my website. <>Click here...
For the Quackbuster's NCAHF - it's all over but the shouting.
Tim Bolen - Consumer Advocate
This "Millions of Health Freedom Fighters - Newsletter" is about the
battle between "Health and Medicine" on Planet Earth. Tim Bolen is an
op/ed writer with extensive knowledge of the activities of a
subversive organization calling itself the "quackbusters," and that
organization's attempts to suppress, and discredit, any, and all
health modalities that compete with the allopathic (MD) paradigm for
consumer health dollars. The focus of the newsletter is on the
ongoing activities, battles, politics, and the victories won by
members of the "Health Freedom Movement" against the "quackbusters"
It details "who the quackbusters are, what they are, where they are
operating, when they appear, and how they operate - and how easy it
is to beat them..."
For background information on the "Battle between Health and
Medicine" go to:
.htm.
A copy of THIS newsletter, and older ones, are viewable at the
website
lt.htm.
For EVEN MORE interesting and related articles go to
http://Dear 'Steve23' et al,
http://Herewith, I include my answer given in other forums regarding all this nonsense, as well as a posting in our own QXCI/SCIO group.
http://Since the attachments are lenghty and explain everything I need not to further expand. Since myAdvertisement
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Hi Francisco,
Good to see the victory for Homeopathics, as covered by Bolen.
That's good news.
However, what you point out about Rex's case is not accurate.
The information that you provid from lasuperiorcourt.org does not indicate that the case against QXCI was overturned.
It states:
Case Summary
Case Number: SC070400
REX REGINALD VS. WILLIAM NELSON ET. AL.
Filing Date: 01/18/2002
Case Type: Prdct Liablty (not asbes,tox,envir (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Default Judgment after Prove-up 09/13/2002
and
01/16/2003 at 09:01 am in department WEQ, Linda K. Lefkowitz, Presiding
Motion to Vacate (DEFAULT AND DEFAULT JUDGMENT;) - Motion Granted in Part
The above says that the current status is a default judgment against QXCI which was only partially vacated, on 1/16/2003.
Where do you see the current Superior Court history saying that the default judgement has been overturned, when the case's current status still clearly reads: "Default Judgement"?- Curious Lapis
21 y
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This is a reply to # 576,378...as to why your hiding behind a number? Could this be STEVE 23??? Same style.
- Curious, indeed. #10811
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This is a reply to # 576,380Curious that you again choose to personally attack steve23, rather than address the crucial legal point made.
The case was not overturned, Lapis.
You and Francisco are wrong about that.
Yes?
Or am I missing something?- Re: Curious, indeed. Lapis
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This is a reply to # 576,381I wasn't attacking you Steve, just pointing out that you chose to hide behind a number this time. Why so deceptive Steve?
You've been the one attacking all along and then feigning that you've been attacked when people call you on your deception. Your trolling efforts are laughable Steve.
- Re: Curious, indeed. Lapis
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- Curious, indeed. #10811
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Curious that you again choose to personally attack steve23, rather than address the crucial legal point made.
The case was not overturned, Lapis.
You and Francisco are wrong about that.
Yes?
Or am I missing something?- Re: Curious, indeed. Lapis
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This is a reply to # 576,384Advertisement
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No attack. Just pointing out your deception as you are hiding behind a number steve. How is that an attack?
I suppose being a spin doctor, you may try to make it out as one but nope, it wasn't. It was just a fact. Steve is posting behind a new alias.
I'll wait for Francisco to respond on the legal matter as he knows more about the case than I do. What I do know is that your blowing something way out of context and proportion to shed a negative light on the QXCI for what I beleive are your own dubious alterior motives. What could they be Steve? All this time invested in defaming Nelson and attacking the QXCI. Could Steve be on someone's payroll to do this?
Whose attacking Steve? You can admit that it is you Steve, can't you,(#10811 is Steve right) or do you still wish to hide behind your secretive new number?
And your saying others are being deceptive. Oh Steve how pathetic. You trolling escapades are rather transparent to the rest of us.
- Re: Curious, indeed. steve23
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This is a reply to # 576,386Yo Lapis,
Troll?
Check my motivation.
I had a close friend utterly left-out-to-dry by the QXCI "business oportunity".
I care about my friend and want to get to the bottom of what happened to her, the deeper I dig the worse it gets.
You told me the California Superior Court case did not exist.
I did the research work, and found that it did.
You and Francisco (director of QXCI corporate marketing in a third world country) told me that it had been "overturned".
I did he research and found that it had not.
In fact, the case is still pending and is in fact a judgment agauinst QXCI.
Re-read my posts if you like, IMO warning people about bad alternative medicine practices is just as valuable to the alternative health fight -- as supporting responsible alternative health practices (like Hulda's Zapper, Ed McCabe's Oxygen therapies, Robert Gray's Intestinal Cleanse program (which I a curently on BTW, and yes it is fantastic! ..how many critucal posts do you hear about Robert Gray, eh? Not many... and that may be a very good sign), et al.
When we use no discernment and attack all who expose alternative health bad practices, we are killing the whole field of alternative medicine.
The only real hope is to keep the bad apples out of the barrel, or the whole thing will look and smell very bad.
Steve
- Re: Curious, indeed. steve23
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- Re: Curious, indeed. Lapis
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- Curious, indeed.
- Curious Lapis
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- Thanks For Your Response Lapis
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This is a reply to # 576,340Advertisement
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Here's a bit about Dr. Barrett:
http://www.cureamerica.net/barrett.htm
and more:
Quackbusters: "Bullys" Barrett, Baratz, Sued For 1.3 Million in Canada...
http://www.quackpotwatch.org/opinionpieces/quackbusters_barrett.htm
Best wishes for the holidays!
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This is a reply to # 576,340Ok, aside from all the politics here...has anyone actually TRIED an EPFX or QXCI/SCIO machine session? I would love to hear some actual feedback about whether it actually works or not in real usage?
- Re: Helpful Consumer Warning About Q... #103224
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This is a reply to # 1,285,894I went to a practitioner several times for various reasons. I finally got a used program of my own and am now questioning it's validity. There is a reason the practitioners won't print anything out for you and only let you take a few notes. If you were to print out erroneous data about the state of a person's health that could be otherwise disproved by a standard medical exam then it wouldn't be long before QXCI practitioners would be brought up on malpractice charges. You only have to input a person's name or initials in the demographics window and then calibrate and test that person. It is beyond me how a program could distinguish two initials from someone elses name with the same two initials. To type in remedies on the green treatment page, you only have to type in the first initials of each word ie TAYFIJ or Treat all yellow flags in John to run a treatment. To test it, I typed in my name and ran the program the test matrix page showed that I had a variety of things going on in my body. I then closed all of the windows and reran the test. The second time I ran it and a bunch of different problems appeared. I did this several times each with different results. The results appeared totally random to me. So much information comes up after each test that the probability of hitting on something that rings true is usually pretty good, since it supposedly tests thousands of things on any given test. I finally typed in my name and entered data in the form of bogus illnesses such as diabetic neuropathy, which I don't have. When I ran the test, diabetes came up in red at a very high number. I typed another bogus name and in the data said that this person smoked 2 packs of cigarettes and Cancer came up in very high numbers such as 200. A person's optimal score is between 80 and 100. I conducted this same test using bogus names and bogus illnesses and this always happened. I finally typed in the name of a friend of mine that passed away and the program came up with all kinds of remedies for him. I would love to have faith in this technology, but I have read about several people who have used an Oscilloscope to test the rife frequency output and they were not even close to the intended frequency that the program was supposed to emit ie 587 hertz on the program might read as 60 hz on the oscilloscope which is the frequency range of most household electrical equipment. When Bill Nelson was asked about this, he claimed that he did not have time to attend to this detail. This is no small detail if the machne is supposed to work the way he claims it is, and you are marketing a $20,000.00 machine you darn well better attend to every detail when it comes to testing this device. Rife frequencies are very easily tested. Just the fact that he would blow off this responsibility as if it was no big deal, shows me a clear lack of integrity in this man who commands $20,000.00 for his program. I love alternative medicine and own several rife machines that I would not be without, but I also like to know when things are measurable and so far the QXCI program does not seem to be measurable except for the rife output which is clearly inaccurate. This program carries a very high price tag new, yet you can go on Royalrife.com and folks are practically giving them away in the buy and sell used instruments link. I have even seen brand new systems selling for as little as $6,000.00 with all of the hardware.
As far as Bill Nelson's track record of fraudulent credentials, I cannot address this as I have not researched them, but I do know that if you defraud people with false credentials then you probably don't have any problem defrauding people by creating and selling equipment that makes claims that it can't back up, prove or that is fraudulent. The fact that he would warn people not to open the SCIO box or they will reap negative Karma is laughable. My friend risked his Karma and opened the box to find there really didn't appear to be anything to the box outside of the housing, it looked relatively empty. Now who is really risking there Karma? If Bill is defrauding everyone, he will have his own Karma to deal with. You would think something that is as sophisticated as the manufacturer claims a SCIO box is, would have more circuitry involved. I guess my point is if you are looking at buying one of these units, do your research. We would all like to think that there was a quick easy diagnostic and fix for health problems, that would be great for us all. The bottom line is going to a practitioner who is good at muscle testing will probably yield better and more accurate results then what you would gain from the QXCI/EPFX/SCIO.
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